Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcxUehh/

AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

"Rare cases"

Remind me, where is the "this never happens" thread?

Looks like we have a winner

I posted the statistics above. I'll repeat them here for you and other pigeons.

Incarcerated sex offenders per 1 million population UK, info from HM Prison Service:

Women. 3 per million

Men. 395 per million.

Men who identify as women. 1916 per million.

So men who don't identify as women are 132 times more likely to be incarcerated sex offenders as women.

Men who DO identify as women are 4.8 times more likely to be incarcerated sex offenders compared to other men, and they are 639 times more likely to be incarcerated sex offenders compared to women.

hysterical women

Thank you for using the actual words. We see you anyway, but that's extra helpful.

Woman only groups are ok. @iamsarah will be so relieved to hear she can actually have a rape survivors group for women, which she, a rape victim, was blocked from doing whilst the trans got three groups choice. Male, trans and female.

One of them is here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3348290-It-will-never-happen-resource-thread

A very interesting story on that, actually, which I'm surprised no journalist has ever followed up.

Let me tell you about Monklands' Women's Aid and Mridhul Wadwhwa and the curious incident of the Sacro contract.

Mridhul Wadhwa, male Director of Edinburgh Rape Crisis, who took a job reserved for a woman despite having no GRC.

Wadhwa's husband/partner (I'm not sure which) works for Sacro. [edit: actually he is/was director]

Contracts for survivor services were taken off women only services, and awarded to Sacro ...

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/mridrul-wadha-sacro-and-the-14-million

As stated I’m proposing we have men’s toilets and women’s toilets and disabled toilets, possibly some gender neutral toilets? (all of which operate as they currently do and may be used by trans people).

And then separate (optional!) toilets specifically for female-assigned , “gender critical” feminists, who are particularly worried about being raped by trans women in the other facilities.

Basically lots more toilets so we can all move on with our lives in harmony and peace and everyone has a place to relieve themselves where they feel comfortable and safe ☺️ 🌈

Andrew Miller may also have had an impact.

We would all be delighted with that. Please arrange it. Thank you.

As a teenage girl, I encountered a masturbating man in a wig and dress in the ladies' toilets.

Definitely not a 'fantasy'.

And then separate (optional!) toilets specifically for female-assigned , “gender critical” feminists, who are particularly worried about being raped by trans women in the other facilities.

I don't understand the "(optional!)" bit you've added here. Could you explain?

Otherwise - yes - of course I would be absolutely delighted to have toilets that I, my daughter, my friends, my elderly mother, etc. can use in the knowledge that they have privacy and protection from males in there. Why wouldn't I want that?

Do you find the idea of being worried about being raped funny? Because you seem to be treating it as a joke.

Incidentally, many venues in London (especially theatres and arts organisations) already don't have any men's or women's toilets any more. Most of them are mixed-sex.

As I said above, I encountered a masturbating transwoman in the loo as a teenager. It's something I've actually experienced. Are you just going to dismiss my experience? Or do sexual assaults on young women/girls just not matter to you. I don't know where Beckington is, this was Glasgow. About 1997.

My god, I hadn't even heard about this one. 😢

I did not mean all women especially as I'm a mum with a daughter.

I meant the ones who attack other women because they think they're transgender. I meant they're so invested in excluding transgender people they harass other women

Which I do find to be caused by a stare of ott-ness so I clumsily used the word hysterical. And I was wrong and I apologise

I don't think everyone with this view is hysterical for clarity. I think those who mistakenly harass other women have taken it too far.

Can I be clear: the middle aged man in a dress, wig and make up whom I encountered masturbating was not a woman. There is no way I will address him, nor any other sex offender, as 'she'.

1. There's no evidence at all that that has ever happened (women attacking other women). One very odd, obviously fake video that was circulated, and a lot of unsubstantiated social media posts.
2. By contrast, there is ample evidence of a very high number of sexual and violent offences committed against women and girls by men identifying as women. I have posted some statistics for you above, from the Ministry of Justice. Many verified cases have also been shared on this thread, first-hand experiences and actual court cases of named individuals.
3. You might want to look up the word 'hysteria' to understand a bit more about why it has particular resonance in this context.

Really? I had thought it was quite a big story. Maybe more so up here in Scotland?

Content warning. Very upsetting case.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/23530998.andrew-miller-also-known-amy-george-admitted-four-charges/

@ArabellaScott I was helped by Monklands WA many moons ago and then went on to support women with them with another service years later. It was devasting was happened to that resource and I am so glad I had left Scotland by that time and didn't have to see the consequences in person in my working life. It was a vital service for women in that area.

As for that man, I don't have words for that man or the resource or government that enabled him or has allowed him to stay in place. I'd get banned .

I'm in London and I don't think it was widely reported here. Fuck me, that is truly horrible. That poor child.

I'm so sorry. It must be gutting. And thanks for your work.

@ArabellaScott Thats crazy, no, its worse than that, its criminal BUT and this is where we will disagree? its happened under a Tory UK Govt, i ve gone right off Sturgeon/SNP in recent months.

I did a bit more googling and it seems it has happened in England too, where 1 in 5 DV centres get NO council funding.

Where has the idea that women are attacking other women come from?

Right. The small mercy was he pleaded guilty so the child was spared a trial. We are still awaiting his sentencing and whether or not he will be placed in a women's prison.

'Scottish First Minister Humza Yousaf confirmed Miller is being held in a male prison but refused to say if he will be moved to a women’s jail following sentencing.
He told Sky News: “This is a gut-wrenching case, heartbreaking. I cannot think of the trauma the victim, the family and the community are going through.
“I can confirm Andrew Miller is being held in a male prison.”
Mr Yousaf refused to answer questions about whether this will be the case when Miller is sentenced later this year.
He said: “This is a live case, the sentencing is still to happen. I cannot comment on a live case.”'

No that is absolutely horrendous and I'm sorry to had to go through that. It's awful.

But it still doesn't mean it's the fault of a whole community

When I was 21 a man sat next to my on the bus and masturbated. It was horrible and I did nothing but stare out the window and I regret it.

When I was 18 a man shoved his hand up my skirt and groped me while I was sitting in a nightclub.

When I was 25 a man molested me at a bus stop and tried to drag me down the alley next to Tesco. I had learned self defence by then due to the above incidents and a mugging at knife point.

I know what assault feels like. I know how horrible it is

All spaces need to be safer for all women from all men.

I just don't think hating a whole community is the way to do it.

I'm sorry for what happened to you.

I don't understand the "(optional!)"bit you've added here. Could you explain?

That no one is obliged to use them of course.

Otherwise - yes - of course I would be absolutely delighted to have toilets that I, my daughter, my friends, my elderly mother, etc. can use in the knowledge that they have privacy and protection from males in there. Why wouldn't I want that

The issue is that your definitions of “privacy”, “protection” and “males” are not the same as mine- and differ also from many other people. There isn’t the consensus on these subjects you want there to be. Your demands for “privacy and protection” come at a cost that others are not prepared to pay. So we need a solution that works for everyone. Trans people need a comfortable space to use the toilet, so do those who fear/ hate trans people (😢).

Do you find the idea of being worried about being raped funny? Because you seem to be treating it as a joke

No, it is your attitude towards trans women, and our difference in perspective, that I am trying to make light of. I am trying to cope with this with humour, because without that it just fills me with rage and despair.

Incidentally, many venues in London (especially theatres and arts organisations) already don't have any men's or women's toilets any more. Most of them are mixed-sex

I know, and I personally don’t find it very comfortable.