Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGJcxUehh/

AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

That is the continuing problem for men

Women don’t need to be quiet about it

How many? How many men have raped women in hospital? How many men have impregnated women in prison? How many men have taken away women's sports for their own use and taken away their awards and scholarships? How many men have followed women into the bathroom and raped, gaped or filmed them?

I will take the stats for the last year.

Then you can explain to me how it's right for a man, who was convicted of rape, assault, even murder can "decide" he is a woman and get put into a women's prison. Then you can tell me the stats of how many of those men turn back into men like poof as soon as they are out of prison.

Now, you can explain how a man can "decide" he is a woman and take no hormones, have no surgery and at times play in the men's category, then when it's convenient for him, go and play in women's sports. How a man, who has a bigger heart, longer muscle fiber, bigger muscle mass, bigger lungs and every other male advantage, has a right to go into women's sports. Men who are almost always failures in their sport in the men's category.

If trans people want rights, let them get their own prisons, their own sports, their own gym lockers, their own hospital ward, shelters, rape crisis centers, "Lesbian nights" (leave female lesbians alone), spas and waxing salons. They may not "feel" like men (or women), but they are not the opposite sex either and sex based rights of women need to be protected. They are sex-based rights, not gender-based rights.

Ooooh. Of course haha.

“How many men have followed women into the bathroom and raped, gaped or filmed them? “

Er loads of men without dresses do that to men and women in public toilets. And re hospital

https://www.reading.ac.uk/news/2023/Research-News/6500-hospital-sexual-assaults-in-four-years-according-to-new-report

In the last month alone a woman doctor highlighted what she and others go through, a fully suited and booted male doctor was found to have assaulted patients for years….

Trans does not equal abuser. Can we have some figures from you please.

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%

125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%

13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

Because then the males are in the women's spaces, unfettered with easy access. As long as the "whatever you say you are, you are", is the mantra of the TQ+ group, women will need to protect themselves from the imposters, of which there are many. Just need to look at the hospital rape, the prisons, the dressing rooms to see that. Since we cannot tell the imposters from the real, we need to exclude all since we have zero back-up for our concerns. The extreme trans community cares not how many females are raped, assaulted or murdered as long as their "feelings" come first.

Half of all transgender (trans identifying male) prisoners are sex offenders or dangerous category A inmates.

As opposed to 3 percent of female prisoners.

Regardless of some imaginary, convenient woo about them not being "truly trans" (even if this meant anything, how could you tell?), there is no justification whatsoever for placing dangerous male sex offenders with vulnerable women.

Unless you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to those women. Oh.

Yes, people will claim now that it’s transphobic to state the fact that transwomen are male, despite nearly no-one claiming otherwise until only a couple of years ago.

It’s not an effective way to try to get what you want any more.

Well said

YANBU

next stop - asylum seekers out of hotels please.

Sex in isogamous species refers to gamete support. Males develop towards support for small gametes, females towards support for large.

Transwomen are males.

If a man followed me into the women’s toilets I think (if he were with me) that I’d ask my husband to deal with it. He’s as aware of the difference between men and women as I am, and as unhappy at men invading female single-sex spaces.

I agree op. Also not a tory.
It's madness now. I have a good transwoman friend. I can't begin the imagine the torment of being born in the wrong gender. She lives her authentic self as she should. I don't care if someone identifies as a man, woman, neither, both or the kitchen sink. It's up to them. Live your life and be happy for others.
I do mind when those born with biological differences (as sympathetic as I am) choose to prioritise themselves whilst ignoring rest of society. My transwoman friend doesn't use the women toilets. She hasn't transitioned (currently raising funds to try go private) and transwomen don't walk round with signs saying they have. It makes the rest of those non trans women feel uncomfortable and fearful. Why can't there be basic respect for that? Surely it works both ways. Why can't a disabled toilet be used if they feel uncomfortable going in the wrong toilets?
Caitlyn jenner (previously bruce jenner) famously said those born in male gender shouldn't be able to compete in female sports and rightly so. Some of the transcommunity attacked this. They're born with a biological advantage whether they like that fact or not.
Transpeople can have rights protected whilst respecting others rights too. I just can't imagine the bravery of someone saying I was born in the wrong gender then kicking off being asked to use the those toilets as it makes the majority of biological women feel safer. Transpeople surely know very well what feeling unsafe is like. I wonder do they also feel unsafe in men's or is it just about stomping their feet and this is my gender? Thankfully many transpeople aren't like this and those who want to live their life in peace are usually the ones not making this their hill to die on.
I think the transcommuinty are doing a disservice to themselves as the average joe will not get behind their movements like this.

I'm glad he said it because it throws down the gauntlet to to Labour and the Lib Dems to defend their (indefensible) position that there is no such thing as a woman, and the word 'woman' cannot and should not be defined because it's 'transphobic' to do so. Fuck that shit! I'm so tired of hearing politicians on the left squirm and refuse the answer the question 'What is a woman?'. They all know damn well what a woman is. Half of them are women and most of the other half are in relationships with women. But none of them have a spine in their bodies and are prepared to say 'A woman is an adult human female'.

Got gender and sex mixed up in my previous post. Apologies

No, you are not all ears, it wouldn't matter what i said or what Starmer/Labour said either.
I'm also not a TRA, if thats what you meant.

Properly funded and managed public services are the best way to protect female rights and spaces, all the laws etc cannot do a thing unless enforced and facilities made available but after 13 years the Tories have shown they cannot (or dont want to) give us strong public services.

I don't know if Labour will do better over time, staffing and building new Hospitals for example is a huge undertaking but at least they want to.

Starmer did, months ago.

“A woman is an adult female, so let’s clear that one up,” Starmer stated resolutely, in a marked change to his previous statements on the topic

But as i said earlier, it wont change anyone's mind, he isn't allowed to have a new position.

Yes, I know Keir Starmer has adjusted his position after Labour focus groups realised in a panic that forcing their leader to say in an interview that 'some women have a penis' was a massive own goal and a huge turn-off for women voters @Bananasandcorn, but there are many others in the Labour party who haven't shifted position. Remember David Lammy with his 'women are dinosaurs hoarding rights' comment? Or Lisa Nandy and Rebecca Long-Bailey signing a 'pledge card' on trans rights before the leadership contest? Just last week the Lib Dem membership magazine had an article from a TRA denouncing GC views and calling them wrong-headed and transphobic.

Generally I hate the Conservatives and won't vote for them for stating the obvious.

However this is just bollocks.

Here is an example of a person using trans laws to film women in a changing room

https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/4406869/transgender-woman-voyeurism-target/%3famp=true

Then if we believe "trans women are women" this person would be sent to a women's prison.

That is outrageous and unfair on women. We are already raped and sexually abused enough, without making it easier for predatory men.

calling trans women men who are pretending to be women is 100% erasing trans experience. If you don’t understand this it’s because you have never taken the time to listen to or understand a trans person’s lived experience. This is the very definition of trans erasure.

Feelings are very powerful. I am interested in hearing what led you to believe you feel you are a woman and not a man. That is, why do you not feel male despite being born male and instead feel you’re a (trans) woman?

Clearly you've never heard of Rosie Duffield.

People keep coming out with this guff like Rishi Sunak is the only person ever to say it.

He's not.

Expect civil service disquiet on this.

And look how RD was treated by Labour

Not good for them

Yes, but the point I was responding to was that no-one on the left is prepared to say it, which is demonstrably untrue.

I have heard of Rosie Duffield @Flickersy and I think she's great, but she's one politician in the Labour party in a sea of 'transwomen are women' colleagues. Politicians on the left who are openly GC (Joanna Cherry of the SNP is another) are rare.