Rishi Sunak - "a man is a man, a woman is a woman"

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..and how we shouldn't be bullied into believing somebody can be any sex that they want.

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AIBU to want to give him a round of applause?

I know, it's convenient timing and obviously a strategy move but how good is it to hear that straight from the horses mouth when the country has spent the past god knows how long bowing down to the loud and often disturbed minority.

I still can't stand the Tories and won't be voting for them but cheers for acknowledging the insanity, Rishi.

1. They are single sex spaces not safe spaces.
2. Are you saying these trans women who have done this are not truly trans? How do you know? How can we tell which trans people are genuine or not?
3. If you believe that some men are pretending to be trans to attack women then why don't you want to protect women from the possibility of this happening in the future? Why is this a reason to welcome trans women (some of whom could be rapists pretending to be trans - according to you) into single sex spaces?

Most of the public wanted section 28 even when it was repealed. Ad populum is the logical fallacy that says that if most people agree with it, then it must be true.
Sunak and the rest of the nasty party are dog-whistling for their lives. Appealling to the same populist racism (Braverman) that got Brexit voted for and the populist transphobia they think might win them an election.

If Sunak really wants to jump on the populist GC bandwagon (and I'd love to see him tie himself in knots trying) he should not use vague soundbites like "a man is a man and a woman is a woman" - go on, Rishi, be brave enough to define what the government officially deem "man" and "woman", publicly declare that there are only two genders and tie these two terms explicitly to physiology; explaining in detail what exact biological attributes legally define sex/gender. Don't be shy. Then go and tie that definition to legal rights.

Do you have to have all five sex characteristics to be legally deemed a woman?
If not, what is the threshold/minimum amount that get you the right to be a man or woman and the correct rights, freedoms and legal status?
Is it, as Germaine Greer insists, that "women" are defined by their ability to have periods, and bear children? But that would exclude those people born XX who cannot bear children. So maybe it should be based on Chromasomes?
But since some people with XY Chromasomes are born with female physiology, and some people with XX have male physiology, is it genitals that define you?
I'd really love them to try and legislate for that. I'd also love them to say how the police and judiciary will apply those laws in practice. Will the police have the right to inspect genitals?

... but you could just as well get sexually assaulted by a biological woman in that "safe space"? There are far more stories out there of female sex offenders than there are of "trans" ones.

Do you think that the media reporting male sex crimes as female crimes might have something to do with that?

Also if you're going to talk about 'true trans women' then you'll need to explain what that is, how it differs from other men who identify as women and how women are supposed to know the difference.

There certainly are some iffy public toilets that I avoid, like in an empty underground car park for instance. But at a college where I worked there were posters in the women's toilets stating that they shouldn't challenge someone if they didn't think they should be in there, because that person knew better than them. That meant some women just didn't feel able to use the toilet, which seems wrong. I certainly want to have the right to a female Dr, female counselling group if I were raped, and probably other single sex provisions and services I can't think of now. It's partly about safety but also about dignity, and I can't understand the issue with that. As far as toilets and changing rooms go, I don't mind gender neutral, as long as they are secure.

Absolutely shocking about the toilets!!

@Hersecretserviceyourmaj I know, I think it was students. I was only temping there but I hear the posters came down - eventually.

I think those posters are all over the place particularly in universities. Message for the females there is loud and clear , ignore your boundaries, males come first 😢

my lived experiences tell me that men are dangerous to women and girls. My lived experience tells me that pretend women ie males can be equally dangerous. They can also make it impossible to have womens or girls organisations ,sports and private spaces, and destroy any that have existed. Unless Sunak repeals the GRA and abolishes the GRC, it is just words, but I still appreciate hearing them said after all these years. But I wouldn’t vote for them,or any other party at this point.

Lol. Tories are speaking sense while Labour are appointing young men as women's officers. 🤣 How things have changed.

Everyone knows who men and women are, even you. Which is why you resort to all this word salad invoking childless women and the tiny minority of people who are born with Disorders of Sexual Development.

Just because some women have fertility issues or some people have DSDs it doesn't mean that a 50 year old, father of 3 kids who sticks a dress on and changes his pronouns is a woman.

Biology is transphobic
Reality is transphobic
Mother nature is transphobic
Truth is transphobic
Data is transphobic

Because I believe transwomen are male im transphobic, at least I'm in good company

@lifeturnsonadime Yes, that's exactly how the posters came across.

Speaking of tiny minorities, the trans population accounts for around 0.14% of the UK's population.

It's a bit strange that so much energy, time, and column inches are dedicated to the trans issue while much larger problems such as violence against women from husbands / partners / family / etc are glossed over. Nothing to see here as long as Dan doesn't wear a dress while battering Debbie

It's almost as if the government and their media backers have an ulterior motive for stiring the pot...

Someone can have a different opinion to you and not be a TRA.

a desperate man desperately shouting out shit

A cunning man attacking his opponents where they are weakest.

Labour/Lib Dems/Greens look like absolute nutters going about pretending that they believe men are women, and Sunak is going to make sure the whole country knows about it before the election comes.

So why do they wield such disproportionate power then? Women aren't losing their jobs or punched in the face when they speak about other issues. No other group seems to have the police at their beck and call to arrest women for wrong think.

Female journalists at The Guardian can write all the op eds they want about domestic violence but they're not allowed to write about this.

I don't disagree that partner violence is a more common and widespread issue but the suppression and punishment of dissenters is what has made this specific issue unique and noteworthy.

Oh I expect that will be his tactic. He doesn't have a lot to campaign with. I suspect that outside Mumsnet it won't be particularly high on the issues on which the electorate make their choices.

Tab am.easily led sheep who Laos up dog whistle announcements. Congratulations!!!!!

That it had to be said at all says so much about where we are as a country at this time, of course people cannot change sex, we all know that to be true. Hopefully Labour say the same because as a life long labour voter it is very hard to vote for a party who's leader believes that some women have a penis.

Absolutely, if you listen to what these men actually say it becomes clear very quickly what is really going on here.

‘Twas the signs of desperation and scraping the bottle of the barrel.

We have a mismanaged NHS with sky high waiting lists, child and adult MH provision not fit for purpose, no NHS dentists to be had and a battle for GP appointments, crumbling underfunded schools, a mismanaged pandemic i which the Tories didn’t practise what they preached whilst people died, a planet on fire and Tory tossing out of green policies, cost of living crisis, dire housing situation, social care not fit for purpose, mismanagement of Brexit they lied to the country about which is only just starting to bite, teenagers hooked on vapes they do nothing about, youngsters not safe online they do nothing about, barbaric and completely ineffective handling of immigration, a deeply concerning police force …… I could go on.

But no let’s focus on “a man is a man”. Yeah of course we all will, not. Aside from the fact most of us with a brain question anything they say now he might as well have been playing the violins himself as the Tory Titanic went down. Did he really have no other sound bite. 😂

This!
It's shocking that an intact male in a dress can follow my 13 year old daughter into the toilet unchallenged.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-bbc-radio-5-live-government-snp-kane-b1096844.html Starmer “a woman is an adult female”.

I see the shit is working on you.

Labour and Lib recognise that the whole issue can’t be reduced to black and white sound bites. If you’re happy to believe that Rishi genuinely cares, then you do you.