Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was Tory the party leader and the election was tomorrow?

[lechiffre55]

Just curious to see what the answers here might be.
Would you vote Tory if Kemi Badenoch was the Tory party leader and the election was tomorrow?
Feel free to answer any way you like, and I don't care about derailing. The question is quite tongue in cheek, don't take it too seriously, and have fun with it if you want, rant if you want. I'm trying to get a picture of the MN mood.

Yes it is. It's also the case that it's neither praise worthy or particularly laudable that we have a very racially diverse cabinet. I mean, in practice, why should that matter. The point is what people do, not their skin colour.

She's my MP and is a total career MP, doesn't live in or near the Constituency, she has done very little locally.

She's not well liked at all and it's a very Tory area (although Becoming more liberal gradually)! I dislike her attitude and her politics. When she originally got in I was pleased to see some diversity and a female in the role and had high hopes but alas she has eyes on Westminster and making her mark elsewhere. She also seems very right wing with her attitudes including her terrible meeting about menopause and making allowances in the workplace!! She's not for me, even tho I'm not Tory, I may have been swayed to vote as little competition around here but I'd rather vote for someone with a heart

Absolutely not.

I wouldn't vote for any far right politician.

Can you list the rights a human has in the UK?
The actual rights, not how you feel about the Tories.

There are 2 meanings:

The first is an ideology that rejects democracy in favour of the one party state where banking and major industries are brought into state ownership and the state controls the national infrastructure and most facets of individual life.

The second is "anything that I don't like".

I think that Madder is using the second definition.

I wouldn't vote for them regardless of leader. But she's definitely not someone who would make me think more favourably about them.

Maybe she meant those detailed in the Human Rights Act of 1998. I'm sure you can google it easily enough.

I would oppose any party that wanted to take us out of the ECHR.

My family fought hard for my right to be an equal citizen of the UK. My family and community suffered for it. Like fuck am I going to vote those rights away. And be left to the whim of whatever government we have? Fuck that!

Well said.

Your rights would not be lost by the UK leaving the ECHR.
The legistation that makes those legal rights in law is UK legislation. Any infringement of your rights gets dealt with by UK courts.
At the end of the day you might not want to be at the whim of sucessive UK governments, but you are always at the whim of the legal system, and the people at the top making the rules be it EU, UK, whatever.

I get you hate the Tories, the UK etc.... but your are just worried about the sky falling on your head.

You can vote however you like, but you are not the only voter. Everyone else gets a say too. If enough voters want it and vote for it the UK leaves the ECHR, if enough voters don't we don't.

I don't hate the UK and I didn't single out the Tories. Why are you making things up @lechiffre55?

Those shouting oh the evil.... what exactly do you think Labour will do differently?

The circumstances won't change, there is no more money, all they'll do is exactly the same while destroying women's rights and child safeguarding, and we won't just have a party in power who are corrupt and up themselves and don't care about poverty, we'll have a party that is insane and doesn't do reality.

Show me something to real vote for other than early 20th century aspirations and memories and I'll be there, pen in hand.

@TooBigForMyBoots - the attack on the ECHR bothers me greatly. It was drafted by English lawyers to prevent the persecution of minorities by unfettered government power after WW2.

This was something we did ourselves. It was based on our common law. It guaranteed decent treatment of people so they would not be tyrannised by governments who declared themselves the ultimate power.

It is for everyone in every country that has signed it. Its presentation as some sort of lefty cult is totally misconceived.

An interesting post

I’m for discussion not least for what the ECHR and the GRA combined has done to women without thought of consequence.

‘All this’ being what?

Gender stuff was set in train by Labour with the GRA and gender reassignment in the EA. Yes it is bad now but there is push back by Tories - compare that to the Scot/Green for in Scotland, or Canada. It is bad but under labour would have been, and will be, far worse. Equality? There can be no equality for women if ‘women’ means nothing.

Covid was not the Tories fault. I don’t think they handled it particularly well but I don’t believe labour would have handled it better or left us with less debt.

Austerity (aka trying to balance the books) came on the back an economic crash at the end of Labours time in power. If labour had stayed in power longer they would not have been able to continue spending as they had. Though the NHS have continued to pay back £80bn of PFI loans whilst the Tories have been in power to repay the £13bn loan Labour invested whilst they were in power. The cost of living crisis is not unique to the uk; post covid debt and fuel increases as a result of the Ukraine war,

Immigration was set in train by labour but has got worse under Tories. I think we do need to protect our borders and return economic migrants and think we may need to leave ECHR, though I am in two minds about that. This will be worse under labour as too many open border zealots. Forget about protecting the countryside (and food production) whilst the population spirals.

Brexit has been handled badly but mustn’t be undone. I am for freer trade but think we might be better waiting a while now for things to settle.

I am also normally a swing voter and if it wasn’t for gender and immigration I would have voted Labour as it is time for change. The Tories are tired and policies need to regress to the mean. No chance at the moment. But my bigger concern is the silent left-wing coup that has taken over the civil service. I think the Tories are being hobbled by that and I fear what extremes they will go to with labour in charge.

Absolutely not.

Look, I abhor Tony Blair for his illegal batshit war. I marched against it. But to suggest that that is the 'cause' of a terrorist attack is simplistic at best. The bastards that carried that out bear full responsibility.

Also, stating that primary legislation guarantees ECHR rights is to not understand the purpose and origin of the Convention and the operation of law.

People should be most suspicious of those who say primary legislation makes such guarantees. It does not.

No.

Yes.

I LOVE HER

If your rights would not be lost, why leave?

Which of the protections listed below would you like to change?

So let me get this right.

the attack on the ECHR bothers me greatly. It was drafted by English lawyers to prevent the persecution of minorities by unfettered government power after WW2.

English lawyers drafted the European Convention on Human Rights, but UK politicians and UK courts are incapable of protecting human rights without the oversight of the EU courts? This seems to me to be contradictory?

That's because Conservatives are generally quieter

(in response to your comment that the Yes answers are just one word and the Nos are ranty)

Also they know they're going to be subjected to hyperbolic ranting and attempts to shame them for being so evil as to vote Tory. Best not to engage.