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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How do we find a middle ground?

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Namechange2468109 · 30/09/2023 18:01

How do we find a place where it’s ok to say we believe their are transsexual people (in my lifetime it’s always been around and as far as I am aware not particularly fought against/prevented people accessing services/given equal rights) generally these people (who I totally support and would advocate for) appeared to me to want to go under the radar and just live their lives. I’d have NO issues sharing a bathroom with these people.

What shifted? Why is it now a case that we are bullied into accepting a man (with a beard who in every way looks and acts like a man) as a woman?

I thought in the 90s we accepted that what you wear, your hobbies, who you slept with and career choice did not define you. I was never girlie, wore boys jeans but at no point did I think I was a boy or prevented progressing my life.

We now have men that define themselves as women by going backwards in stereotypes, basically the clothes define the man.

The levels of irony baffle me ‘sex doesn’t exist, but if I wear heels I’m a woman’ ‘don’t assume or judge, but if you don’t assume correctly I’ll punch you’ and my favourite ‘I’m a non-binary lesbian’

The ironic thing is (and sorry if this offends anyone) I never coined myself as a feminist. I genuinely thought the previous amazing women had won the war, I earned equally or out earned my male counterparts, I never felt being a women provided me different opportunities to my brother, if anything maybe a tiny advantage.

But now I feel that all that has been pointless and at 41 I’ve become a feminist because I NEED too. Is this not such a rewind in society. I was genuinely a little nervous today at taking a book to the counter (material girls) a bloody (amazing) book, but a book.

How do we rationalise this?

Sorry for the long post but I am genuinely lost at the next steps to take.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/10/2023 16:11

Aaaand the mask slips

‘but what about these special men? It’s very important that these special men can have access to women whenever they like’

creep as hell.

DeanElderberry · 04/10/2023 16:11

But if the man is efficient, and gets his cock out in front of - ten adult woman and 15 juveniles - he only has to undress four times to reach the target.

Is GoadessofThunder ever watched a flasher at work? They want to intimidate and distress as many women as possible during each session - and each additional victim is an additional crime. That 100 mark would be reached in the first afternoon.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/10/2023 16:12

Given the title of the thread, the middle ground appears to be that we all agree that 100 women and girls per year will take one for the team

where ‘one’ is a sexual assault

RebelliousCow · 04/10/2023 16:13

GodessOfThunder · 04/10/2023 15:46

If you’re going to argue like this - ie moving the goalposts before “revealing” the answer we both know you want to serve up - try harder.

It’s too obvious a trap you’re trying to set.

You are just playing games here. People are posting in good faith; providing you with links - which you've clearly not bothered to look at; then you just keep asking for stats as if FWR is some kind of secretarial service. There are multitudes of threads on the forum on which you can find out about all that you have enquired about.

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:14

100 GIRLS AND WOMEN ARE TO BE HARMED EACH YEAR BEFORE SOCIETY CONSIDERS THEIR SAFETY, PRIVACY AND DIGNITY IMPORTANT ENOUGH!

BASED ON NO EVIDENCE THAT THE RISK OF SEXUAL OFFENCES ARE REDUCED IN MALES AT ANY STAGE IN TRANSITION COMPARED TO OTHER MALES IN THE UK POPULATION! NOT EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THIS POSTER AT ALL!

Waitwhat23 · 04/10/2023 16:15

I had to go and look at funny memes for a couple of minutes to calm down after reading the 'quiet part out loud' post which assigns women as collateral damage. What the actual fuck.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 04/10/2023 16:15

Goddess my arse

MargotBamborough · 04/10/2023 16:15

@Namechange2468109

THIS RIGHT HERE is why there isn't a middle ground.

Do you see it now?

Kucinghitam · 04/10/2023 16:17

Goodness, thank you to the misspelled Thunderous warrior for Righteousness!

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 04/10/2023 16:18

There are a lot of male prisoners who identify as women shown here: https://twitter.com/opentosunlight/status/1709399115983901128

https://twitter.com/opentosunlight/status/1709399115983901128

RebelliousCow · 04/10/2023 16:19

GodessOfThunder · 04/10/2023 15:58

I’d say if it’s less than 100 minor offences (like exposure) a year we’re ok. There has to be a cost to everything to ensure freedom. 100 offences by post-op transsexuals might be a reasonable threshold. It’s very unfortunate that any take place but we have to be realistic.

Edited

You are just trolling now. Keep pushing those boundaries......

Waitwhat23 · 04/10/2023 16:19

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:14

100 GIRLS AND WOMEN ARE TO BE HARMED EACH YEAR BEFORE SOCIETY CONSIDERS THEIR SAFETY, PRIVACY AND DIGNITY IMPORTANT ENOUGH!

BASED ON NO EVIDENCE THAT THE RISK OF SEXUAL OFFENCES ARE REDUCED IN MALES AT ANY STAGE IN TRANSITION COMPARED TO OTHER MALES IN THE UK POPULATION! NOT EVIDENCE PROVIDED BY THIS POSTER AT ALL!

Edited

Best use of bigley letters I've seen yet

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 16:19

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:08

100 GIRLS AND WOMEN ARE TO BE HARMED EACH YEAR BEFORE SOCIETY CONSIDERS THEIR SAFETY, PRIVACY AND DIGNITY IMPORTANT ENOUGH!

Yes... that means that a trend has to be established so conservatively that would be a trend over 5 years... so that means what ... about 500 girls and women in the UK have to harmed first.

You heard it first on MN FWR!

A man walks into a female changing room at their local Virgin establishment and gets their cock out and flashes it about a bit.

How many women are in the room?
How many times do they do it over the same of a year?

Do we think the women are happy? Cos the single man is. Lots of unhappy women to just one happy man. Good stuff.

Why don't we just be done with it and make all men happy and send out personalised invitations to the ladies? Cos no hurry male feelings then.

How many (few) males does it take to create this sex offenders dream?

'Minor offenses'. Is it minor to the victims? Do the women get to do a victim impact survey on this? Who gets to decide whether it qualifies as minor btw? Would this be, shock horror, men by chance???

Tbh I when you start thinking about it just 100 women a year being affected is really really fucking optimistic and way way better than the current situation which is deeply problematic due to mixed sex spaces.

How many 'minor' offenses were there in the NHS last year?

Y'know any level of critical thought would be nice here. Instead we get 'its ok to sacrifice a few women on the altar of gender identity because I believe in it and tough shit to the heretics as they just deserve to be raped for thoughtcrime (yep we read twitter).

RebelliousCow · 04/10/2023 16:20

At least we've got the true measure of Godess now. It is all there in B&W.

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:21

Fuck! I cannot believe that a poster would post on MUMSNET on a FEMINIST board that they think that once 100 girls and women per year in the UK are subjected to sexual offences in the toilets that male people without penises can then rightfully be excluded from those toilets.

All while not once providing any evidence at all that any male at any stage of transition has a reduced risk of committing sex offences than the rest of the male population.

BE KIND WIMS!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/10/2023 16:22

So @GodessOfThunder is happy for 99 women and girls to be sexually assaulted, if it means men can get to live out their fantasies and invade women’s single sex spaces. Sickening.

How would you explain to them that their suffering is OK because it is in the cause of trans rights, @GodessOfThunder, and that their pain doesn’t matter to you?

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 16:22

What was my point about emotional abuse STILL not being taken seriously in 2023 and the only abuse that matters being bruised and sexual violence only counting if you put up a physical fight?

Godess basically is happy to pimp women against their will out to to satisfy genderism.

RebelliousCow · 04/10/2023 16:24

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:03

Because I cannot believe that a female would EVER say such a thing.

I think that is why the username is God/ess, spelt incorrectly ( quite an oversight for someone who supposedly studied at Oxbridge).

Brefugee · 04/10/2023 16:26

GodessOfThunder · 04/10/2023 15:34

no post-op in loos cos men, but why?

Edited

Stop it.

It is - and you KNOW this - because they are men

NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision · 04/10/2023 16:26

Well, we're going to be at well over 100 women and girls a year, so it's clearly time we put the lid on this and re-instituted single-sex areas.

Before Godess doubts me, she already even specifically mentioned exposure (and NO, it's not a minor offence).

If one male in a women's changing room at swimming exposes [possessive pronoun] penis, it affects every woman and girl there. Say there are 5 women there the first time.

We already know that flashers are repeat offenders and that they escalate to contact sexual offences. So this male is going to keep doing it until someone bans him from the room, which they won't, or until flashing isn't enough. Whereupon he will sexually assault a woman in the room.

How many swimming trips is it until he's going to have impacted 100 women?

Next, consider that at any one time, there is more than one sexual predator in the country. Big shock, I know. If we have three adult males like this, all in different towns, how many months does it take before they've offended against 100 women and girls?

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:26

Rebellious

I figured it was deliberate.

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 16:27

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:21

Fuck! I cannot believe that a poster would post on MUMSNET on a FEMINIST board that they think that once 100 girls and women per year in the UK are subjected to sexual offences in the toilets that male people without penises can then rightfully be excluded from those toilets.

All while not once providing any evidence at all that any male at any stage of transition has a reduced risk of committing sex offences than the rest of the male population.

BE KIND WIMS!

What was Michael Crick saying on TV today about a small number of women being acceptable to rape in order to satisfy the desire of transwomen to be validated.

Where are all those nice transwomen coming along to say this really isn't ok? That its really not ok for sexual assaults and rapes to be tolerated and enable to aid their need for validation in their name...

Looks for the tumbleweeds

Datun · 04/10/2023 16:27

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 04/10/2023 16:22

So @GodessOfThunder is happy for 99 women and girls to be sexually assaulted, if it means men can get to live out their fantasies and invade women’s single sex spaces. Sickening.

How would you explain to them that their suffering is OK because it is in the cause of trans rights, @GodessOfThunder, and that their pain doesn’t matter to you?

Imagining women getting assail is one of those fantasies.

Helleofabore · 04/10/2023 16:27

RedToothBrush · 04/10/2023 16:27

What was Michael Crick saying on TV today about a small number of women being acceptable to rape in order to satisfy the desire of transwomen to be validated.

Where are all those nice transwomen coming along to say this really isn't ok? That its really not ok for sexual assaults and rapes to be tolerated and enable to aid their need for validation in their name...

Looks for the tumbleweeds

WTAF! I have missed this. But then I am supposed to be working.

Datun · 04/10/2023 16:28

RebelliousCow · 04/10/2023 16:19

You are just trolling now. Keep pushing those boundaries......

Once you see it, you can't unsee it, can you?

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