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Let Women Speak Liverpool - Sunday 8th October, 1-3pm

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starfruittree · 28/09/2023 23:13

NC for this.
For a long time I have always said to myself if a LWS event came near to me, the least I could do was go along and show solidarity. Seeing what has happened elsewhere has made me so angry, it would be time to stand up and be counted.

Now there is an event next week, and I'm really surprised how nervous, even scared I am about going along just to listen, and really just wanted to reach out for advice, support, whatever.

I'm worried about the vitriol of protesters, the attitude of the police. I have worked in pretty 'captured' sectors and am concerned about being identified on social media, or by acquaintances - I'm fairly sure there'll be old contacts, people I like and who I have had time for - protesting or certainly vocally supporting the shutting down of KJK on the day. I guess I personally run the risk of being publicly 'outed' and losing friends and contacts that will have a real impact on things I do that mean a great deal to me.

Yet I feel if I don't go I will always regret not standing up and showing KJK support on my doorstep. I'm even worried about DM-ing the local Women's Rights Network as I tweet with my full name. Perhaps if anyone is on this board they can PM here, or give some info about plans for the day?

Sorry I haven't seen any threads about this LWS event so apologies if there is one already.

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DerekFaker · 08/10/2023 22:47

Boiledbeetle · 08/10/2023 18:54

There must be at least 7 or 8 of us by now! Surely!

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I'm 7 or 8 people all by myself!

IwantToRetire · 08/10/2023 23:19

Go for it!

Oh - there's a challenge.

duc748 · 08/10/2023 23:31

I watched the beginning on YouTube earlier, and was pleased to see that the sound was just fine; I couldn't hear much of the earlier stuff live. But my hearing is rubbish. Anyway, I'll watch it properly tomorrow. I was just amazed how Ronseal it was. Let women speak: indeed.

IwantToRetire · 08/10/2023 23:32

I've been mulling over why I was left feeling so dejected.

And realised that one reason is that had it been any other group of women holding a demo, sorry "gathering", about a women's issue, women inside the Labour Party Conference would be sending messages of solidarity if not actually joining it.

But obviously that wasn't / isn't going to happen with it being LWS / KJK.

Not just because all those Labour women who mumble the agreed line, but because Labour Women's Declaration, who are also gender critical, wont speak up about women being harangued so that their voices are drowned out, because of who the messenger is.

I think I had thought, without thinking it through obviously, that with this event so close to the Confence it might be a light bulb moment for some.

But suspect both the official party line and LWD will be not acknowledge it as ever having happened.

duc748 · 08/10/2023 23:35

Lost all hope there. I jokingly said to one woman, I don't expect we'll be getting a visit from Angela Rayner anytime soon.

IwantToRetire · 09/10/2023 00:05

Sorry if I am coming over as being overly negative, but I am having one of my user name days.

IwantToRetire from all this madness, and just be able to support a local women's group offereing services, or a worthwhile campaign, with out having to check if they are really by and about women.

How many thousands of negative hours have we all had to spend when we could have been doing something pro-active and positive.

Its so clear that the whole TRA madness is an absolute boon to the MRAs who are just loving having a "legitimate" reason to jeer at and disrespect women. And applauded for doing so in public.

If I believed in some all seeing wonderful goddess I would be saying, please make it stop.

RealityFan · 09/10/2023 00:09

IwantToRetire · 08/10/2023 23:32

I've been mulling over why I was left feeling so dejected.

And realised that one reason is that had it been any other group of women holding a demo, sorry "gathering", about a women's issue, women inside the Labour Party Conference would be sending messages of solidarity if not actually joining it.

But obviously that wasn't / isn't going to happen with it being LWS / KJK.

Not just because all those Labour women who mumble the agreed line, but because Labour Women's Declaration, who are also gender critical, wont speak up about women being harangued so that their voices are drowned out, because of who the messenger is.

I think I had thought, without thinking it through obviously, that with this event so close to the Confence it might be a light bulb moment for some.

But suspect both the official party line and LWD will be not acknowledge it as ever having happened.

I hear your anguish. I'm afraid you have to view it like a divorce or bereavement or irrevocable breakdown in a friendship.

Other than Rosie Duffield and likely a hardcore of Labour MPs and activists who just cannot "come out", Labour is a done deal.

They'll see just how hard it is in power to walk this artificial line. Starmer's woman problem hadn't even started yet.

Tarquina · 09/10/2023 00:09

I read TRA on Twitter claiming that Posie had only a handful of supporters "bussed in" and that they (the TRA) "won".

That's not what I saw on the video!

IwantToRetire · 09/10/2023 00:19

I hear your anguish. I'm afraid you have to view it like a divorce or bereavement or irrevocable breakdown in a friendship.

Thanks could be - but for me it feels like being surrounded by another reality.

What is the parrallel universe that I have somehow time shifted into.

Aren't there enough real issues in the world without being totally caught up and walked over by all these immature incels, who too many doting parents are allowing to behave as anti social woman hating hooligans?

If they weren't nearly all posh boys, but lads from some run down estate harassing older women and shouting insults at them, the local paper would be full of outrage, and local councillors asking the police to keep an eye on these ruffians.

duc748 · 09/10/2023 00:27

But it's not some 'lads from some run down estate' is it? And frankly, not likely to be. These are our educated young people (by and large). Which is the saddest part.

DiabolicalFinial · 09/10/2023 02:32

ApocalipstickNow · 08/10/2023 14:42

Let’s hear your review of this then Mish

'You stupid fucking terfs'
'shut your stupid fucking mouths'

is it a banger or no?

I image Fred will release a mix of it soon.

DiabolicalFinial · 09/10/2023 04:17

LarkLane · 08/10/2023 20:17

I did wonder what that masked line of youngsters thought facing the hi viz women.
"She looks like my sister/aunt/cousin/mum/nan/carer/teacher" etc etc

I'm old enough to remember a very famous photograph where a Vietnam War protestor puts flowers into the barrels of soldiers' rifles.

I was thinking that next time we should all hand over a Tunnocks teacake.

Then tell them to tidy their room.

And wash their hair!

Datun · 09/10/2023 06:33

Needmoresleep · 09/10/2023 01:16

By the Mail's sketch writer

QUENTIN LETTS: Ululating furiously, the pro-trans force bore down on Albert Dock – it was a sight t… https://mol.im/a/12608469 via https://dailym.ai/android

Ms Parker was at her microphone, saying women felt threatened by trans zealots.

The trans lot countered this suggestion by surrounding the small knot of feminists and screaming at them violently for more than an hour.

NotTerfNorCis · 09/10/2023 07:29

Just seen the footage of men screaming abuse like 'shut your fcking mouth you stupid fcking tart'. So many aggressive, abusive men there. I don't know how TRAs can think this is a good look.

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starfruittree · 09/10/2023 07:31

Don't think I've ever agreed with or enjoyed reading a Quentin Letts column in my life, but that was brilliant!

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RebelliousCow · 09/10/2023 07:50

Tarquina · 09/10/2023 00:09

I read TRA on Twitter claiming that Posie had only a handful of supporters "bussed in" and that they (the TRA) "won".

That's not what I saw on the video!

They didn't " win" but they did make a lot of inane noise. What they don't realise is that this was as much a public display of their behaviour as anything....and that was clear for all to see. I heard one photographer refer to them as 'demented'.

A lot of the noise came from one very short young woman with a loud hailer who used it to refer to herself as a transman. She was like the duracell bunny and didn't let up screaming the entire time. Posie actually referenced her at one point.

RebelliousCow · 09/10/2023 07:53

NotTerfNorCis · 09/10/2023 07:29

Just seen the footage of men screaming abuse like 'shut your fcking mouth you stupid fcking tart'. So many aggressive, abusive men there. I don't know how TRAs can think this is a good look.

As well as the kids there quite a few 30+ year old men who were maybe conference goers or local Labour party activists. At one point the main sound was men chanting " Get the fascists off our streets". One young man stood on a bench jiggling his starter breasts and showing of his shiny red shorts.

RebelliousCow · 09/10/2023 08:12

Lots of older beardy and balding bro's who really ought to know better. I wonder what they were really thinking as they were shouting?

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Needmoresleep · 09/10/2023 08:26

I doubt if Letts identifies as much other than a cynical world weary DM hack, albeit one with a way with words.

Agressive men shouting and intimidating women. If he can see it, others should. This is not a party political issue. The incursions on women's rights and safety are there in plain sight. This time visible from the Labour Party conference.

RoyalCorgi · 09/10/2023 09:01

Needmoresleep · 09/10/2023 08:26

I doubt if Letts identifies as much other than a cynical world weary DM hack, albeit one with a way with words.

Agressive men shouting and intimidating women. If he can see it, others should. This is not a party political issue. The incursions on women's rights and safety are there in plain sight. This time visible from the Labour Party conference.

I find it really significant that Letts has written about this. How often have these kinds of events been written about in the mainstream press? OK, Posie's events in Australia were written up on the Mail Online website, but the stories seem to have been written by local pro-trans journalists.

In the UK press, although you've had journalists writing about gender issues, I don't remember seeing a national newspaper carry such an explicit, detailed account of the abuse that activists direct at women. And Letts is a political sketch writer of many years' standing, not a commentator like Janice Turner or Sonia Sodha. I imagine this story will be in the print edition as well as Mail Online. It will be read by the Labour leadership.

It feels as if something has shifted a little bit.

FlipperSkipper · 09/10/2023 09:18

@Tarquina Far from it. I was there and got chatting to a few local women who were at their first ever event and had been ‘peaked’ by various things. As for the TRAs, we’ll a lot of them seemed to be men who saw this as an opportunity to verbally abuse women.

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2023 09:27

'Their words were lost in the volley of filth from the trans rights brigade, who were generally younger and, if they will forgive me, a good deal more masculine.'

RebelliousCow · 09/10/2023 09:37

RoyalCorgi · 09/10/2023 09:01

I find it really significant that Letts has written about this. How often have these kinds of events been written about in the mainstream press? OK, Posie's events in Australia were written up on the Mail Online website, but the stories seem to have been written by local pro-trans journalists.

In the UK press, although you've had journalists writing about gender issues, I don't remember seeing a national newspaper carry such an explicit, detailed account of the abuse that activists direct at women. And Letts is a political sketch writer of many years' standing, not a commentator like Janice Turner or Sonia Sodha. I imagine this story will be in the print edition as well as Mail Online. It will be read by the Labour leadership.

It feels as if something has shifted a little bit.

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I wasn't aware that the man I was speaking with was Letts. I had told him that if the Labour party had given women a voice then this event would not be needed, and told him the LWD had been refused a stall for two years running.
He came back with " that's probably because they are not a big corporate or company ".

RoyalCorgi · 09/10/2023 09:38

He came back with " that's probably because they are not a big corporate body".

Well, he's not wrong, is he?