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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Jo Phoenix vs The OU Employment Tribunal 2nd October (whispers Ben Cooper)

996 replies

ickky · 25/09/2023 09:12

Employment Tribunal starts next Monday, not sure if it is available for remote viewing.

I have sent a request so we will see.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 04/10/2023 11:39

I don't really know why this timetable hasn't just been circulated to the parties electronically?

Ameanstreakamilewide · 04/10/2023 11:42

She's enjoying wasting everyone's time, i can see that.

Janie143 · 04/10/2023 11:44

Totally unnecessary time wasting. Is this going to be reissued every time it need rejigging due to overuns. At this rate half the ET time will be taken up by the timetable

Janie143 · 04/10/2023 11:44

Seems deliberate

Ameanstreakamilewide · 04/10/2023 11:46

Janie143 · 04/10/2023 11:44

Totally unnecessary time wasting. Is this going to be reissued every time it need rejigging due to overuns. At this rate half the ET time will be taken up by the timetable

I try to imagine this behaviour where I work, and it just wouldn't fly.

Don't talk about the meeting, just have the god damn meeting.

CriticalCondition · 04/10/2023 11:46

I've seen a lot of hearings one way or another over decades. I have never before seen a judge who has done this.

Ameanstreakamilewide · 04/10/2023 11:46

Janie143 · 04/10/2023 11:44

Seems deliberate

She's useless.

Poor Jo.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 04/10/2023 11:46

I wonder how much this discussion of timetable has cost so far?

Melissamelisante · 04/10/2023 11:48

I can't see many people accessing remotely at all. Worried now about disconnecting as I have a meeting in case I don't get back in later.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 04/10/2023 11:49

There are 26 observers, and 7 of them I assume are connected to court. That is pretty shocking considering the level of interest in this case.

Melissamelisante · 04/10/2023 11:53

She's crap with names and titles too.

LarkLane · 04/10/2023 11:53

Has the Judge given the Judge's pronouns?
I think in the interests of Open Justice we should know.

CriticalCondition · 04/10/2023 11:53

She also seems to have trouble with titles and pronouncing names. And confusing people with similar names and missing some people out. We're all human but you would expect someone who has spent their professional life at the Bar doing this kind of stuff to be better at the detail.

Melissamelisante · 04/10/2023 11:54

Sorry, I'm probably not giving her a fair chance but really the others must be grinding their teeth in frustration.

ickky · 04/10/2023 11:54

Sneery and Snarky, they sound like baddies. 😂

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CriticalCondition · 04/10/2023 11:58

Oh God, she's scheduling a 15 minute break in about 10 days time.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/10/2023 11:59

I am sure that Ben Cooper can manage a useless judge. And even if he doesn't, it's the appeal that sets the precedent. It's a long game.

ickky · 04/10/2023 11:59

Wouldn't this usually be behind closed doors, case management hearing?

I don't recall this happening in any of the other Tribunals I have seen.

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LipbalmOrKnickers · 04/10/2023 12:03

Just thinking the same @ickky

LipbalmOrKnickers · 04/10/2023 12:07

Microphone on bench now seems to be so sharp now it just picked up the sound of a highlighter.

ickky · 04/10/2023 12:07

Why do witnesses have to give page numbers for evidence? Usually it is the barrister.

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CriticalCondition · 04/10/2023 12:09

She wants witnesses to give page numbers when referring to documents. Surely that's what Counsel does when questioning the witness?

BenCoopersSupportWren · 04/10/2023 12:10

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 04/10/2023 11:59

I am sure that Ben Cooper can manage a useless judge. And even if he doesn't, it's the appeal that sets the precedent. It's a long game.

If that's a response to me posting the complaints link, I provided it from the perspective of a lack of genuine open justice (limited numbers, poor AV quality), not having learned lessons in using technology from previous similar tribunals etc, not the legal side of things.

LipbalmOrKnickers · 04/10/2023 12:11

Non-downloadable bundle to be available to obervers (thank you BC!)