Mary Harrington - Why are so many transgender prisoners sex offenders?

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There does seem to be a heightened incidence of paraphilias amongst MTF trans identifed people - so it is not too much of a leap to understand that sexual crimes may also be elevated.

How can someone "lie" about being trans? There is no other measure apart from self declaration - and in some instances the suffering from dysphoria.

I don't understand your maths. There are over 80,000 people in UK prisons and only a few thousand of those are serving sentences for murder.

https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/

If one group of prisoners had no murderers at all in its ranks, how could that possibly skew the % of people in that group being in for a different offence by 45%?

Of course men can, and do, rape other men.

The fact that many men who would previously identified as a cross dresser or a transvestite ( a paraphilia) are now identifying as trans. In fact it must be the single largest group of male transitioners.

Mmm, may I point out that one of the people in who is known to be a trans-identifying male and in prison for crimes (and post transition, at that) is there for...

attempted murder.

Also, the inclusion of Jeska in the women's stats for attempted murder distorted the annual stats significantly, because so few women are in prison for that as a crime. Jeska single-handedly formed a crime-wave.

Other things you should know about Jeska

A fell-runner has been jailed for 18 years for attempting to stab to death a UK Athletics official after a row over test samples.

Lauren Jeska from Powys took two kitchen knives she concealed in a bag to Ralph Knibbs' office at Birmingham's Alexander Stadium on 22 March last year.

He was left with life-threatening injuries after the "wholly unprovoked" and "cool, calculated attack", Judge Simon Drew QC said.

Two of his colleagues were also hurt after they tried to stop the "frenzied" assault about his head and neck.

Sky News

Jeska was the women’s 2010, 2011 and 2012 English fell running champion and won the British Championship in 2012.

Just this year, it was reported that Jeska's record is still up on the Parkrun website.

But on the global community fun run Parkrun website, which organises 5-kilometre weekly races for all abilities around the world, Jeska continues to hold the women’s record time for Aberystwyth, with a time of 17 minutes 38 seconds, prompting outrage from campaigners for equality in women’s sport.

Telegraph 2023

I know we have to be a bit careful when talking about this topic so as not to get deleted but for some men cross dressing is clearly a part of a paraphilic disorder. I'm surprised this knowledge hasn't yet been assigned to the memory hole but it is still available for those interested.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK554425/#:~:text=A%20total%20of%20eight%20Paraphilias,and%20transvestic%20fetishism.%5B1%5D

Yes, this is indeed true. However I do think female prisoners are an easier target than male prisoners

How can someone "lie" about being trans? There is no other measure apart from self declaration - and in some instances the suffering from dysphoria.

Easy: you know full well you aren't trans, but lie about it for whatever reason.

"Genuine trans" could be a mix of various different things perhaps.

But there is still a very real difference between someone that genuinely believes, and someone that knows they are lying.

Whether you can measure it is irrelevant, to there being a real difference, and a difference that we should presumably care about in theory.

Even the trans-activists presumably don't believe that someone is trans, if you put the hypothetical to them that someone is lying. So they may say "self declaration" in practice, but I'm guessing they would insist on genuine belief in theory at least.

It's difficult to measure anxiety. There is still a real difference between someone that genuinely has it, and someone that lies because they want a benzo prescription.

But there is still a very real difference between someone that genuinely believes, and someone that knows they are lying.

Is there?

There are people who genuinely believe all sorts of things that aren't true. What I don't understand is why we treat some men's genuinely held belief that they are women differently from other men's genuinely held belief that they are Napoleon (for example).

I'm not sure if it's even important that we treat them differently depending on whether they genuinely believe that they're women (or Napoleon) or if they are just pretending.

As I said earlier, what's the difference between a man who is genuinely pretending to be a woman and a man who is pretending to pretend to be a woman?

you know full well you aren't trans, but lie about it for whatever reason.

Really? How would anyone know when there's no definition?

How, seriously, are women supposed to tell the difference between a male sincerely believing in the illusion of being a woman and a male who is faking believing in that illusion?

Why on earth should women's lives revolve around worrying what might be happening between the ears of a man?

And whether they're sincere or not, the impact on women is the same.

There are people who genuinely believe all sorts of things that aren't true.

Right, and if you believe that Jesus died for your sins, and came back from the dead, say, regardless of whether it's true or not, you have genuine religious beliefs that are protected on a legal level.

If you are lying then that probably makes a difference.

And whether they're sincere or not, the impact on women is the same.

Yes, but that's a different issue.

I get the sense some people don't have much contact with nature or the animal world. And it's not all down to mating behaviours.

No one who deals with livestock is in any doubt that males are more aggressive. I have a large scar down the back of my leg, from a rooster, that says so.

There is a reason we castrate stallions who will be used mainly for work and not for breeding, or keep an eye on rams if we are in the pen with them.

I know kids who show cattle in rural shows. Some show bulls, but only the older kids, with young, immature bulls, and they generally have a ring in their nose. And they are still fractious. On the other hand, I remember seeing a young girl once with the pair of oxen she was showing. The two were kept together, she was grooming them in their pen, and at one point climbed on the back of one and had a nap. The oxen were completely docile, more so even than a cow.

You can look at how male grizzly bears will roam and attack cubs, similarly with male lions, even though they are not the main hunters, male elephants are much more randomly aggressive and groups of females are wary of them.

None of the mechanisms for this are socialization.

Are you saying that being trans is not something real like a mental health condition, it's just a belief similar to a religious belief, so it should be protected in the same way?

I would say trans is arguably a false belief, (although that depends on how exactly an individual trans person understands themselves), but I probably wouldn't put it on the same level as thinking you are Napoleon.

Like maybe a mix between mental health issue, belief system, and well good luck if you think you will be happy that way. Freedom to pursue happiness.

(Without thinking they should have the right to access opposite sex spaces and services and sports.)

But people can believe that they are trans for all sorts, and varieties, of reason.....Is there a measure of which reasons are more valid than others? Certainly not anymore.

If you are gay or lesbian it is simple. It means you are exclusively attracted to people of the same sex. That's it.

Really? I think that's the only issue.

People can believe what ever they want, I'm all for religious freedom and tolerance. I am not up for female people being subordinated due to people falling prey to a belief that some male people somehow deserve to be in female spaces, which has come to include sex offenders in women's prisons.

I doubt the woman being raped has the faintest interest in whether her rapist does or does not sincerely believe that he is a woman.

If you are gay or lesbian it is simple. It means you are exclusively attracted to people of the same sex. That's it.

I have seen someone say that they were a lesbian for political reasons, like got into feminism at college, and they ended up marrying a man.

Maybe that's a "less valid" kind of lesbian, I don't know.

So. That interesting hypothesis that trans-identifying males might only look as if they're more likely to be sexual offenders than other male people. The claim was that they're less likely to commit other types of violent offences against the person than other males? Is it being claimed that this subset of male humans has the same sexual offending rate as the wider population of male humans then?

Are they supposed to have a lower rate for all other violent crime (e.g. battery, actual bodily harm) or just murder? How does that work? I find it implausible that someone who will commit rape (a violent crime) will only ever beat someone up as part of rape.

The government stats can't answer this question for me, because the prison service doesn't separate out trans-iding prisoners.

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In these Offender Management Statistics, prisoners are simply grouped into male and female, with no explanation as to the policy for recording the sex or gender of transgender prisoners.

His Majesty’s Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS) does collect data on transgender prisoners as part of an annual data collection exercise for its Offender Equalities Annual Report. This data represents a snapshot of the prison population on 31 March. For the purposes of this data collection, “transgender prisoners are defined as those individuals known within prison to be currently living in, or presenting in, a gender different to their legal gender and who have had a local case board (as defined by ‘The Care and Management of Individuals who are Transgender’ policy framework ) and is known to the diversity and inclusion lead within the individual prison where they are housed.”

Prisoners who possess a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) are excluded from the detailed data on transgender prisoners. As of 31 March 2022, 11 individuals in prisoners in England and Wales had a GRC. HMPPS also states that this method is “likely to underestimate the true number [of transgender prisoners]. This is because some transgender prisoners, both with and without GRCs, may not have declared that they are transgender or had a local case board.” The latest HMPPS report indicates that on 31 March 2022, • There were 230 transgender prisoners in England and Wales, not including those with a GRC. • Of these, 187 prisoners reported their ‘legal gender’ as male and 43 as female. For the most part this is likely to be capturing sex at birth, given that prisoners with a GRC are excluded from the analysis. • 181 of these individuals were in male prisons and 49 in female prisons. • 79 out of 120 prisons had at least one prisoner who identified as transgender.

Representation (percentage) of male and female immediate custodial sentenced prisoner admissions in each offence group between January and March 2023

Are they supposed to have a lower rate for all other violent crime (e.g. battery, actual bodily harm) or just murder?

I think the claim that trans prisoners have a lower rate of committing other violent offences turned out to be only a hypothetical. There is no basis for this claim in the data.

Sigh.

Yes. Everyone who likes the term for themselves is a lesbian. Mustn't be nasty. Mustn't gatekeep. Mustn't mess with special people's special personal avatars (but mess with homosexual females all you like, that's fine.)

The group of exclusively homosexual females is currently without a label. Their word was taken to be played with in other people's personal dramas. They therefore get scolded for calling themselves homosexual (men don't like the no or see the point of a female not being useful in some way to a male), for using the word female (men don't like the reality), and for not doing men based on what a man says is going on between their ears in the moment.

The one thing leads to the next thing - beyond fucked off with it all now. Wobbly boundaries and sentimental not wanting to upset anyone started this unholy mess.

I certainly can't find anything suggesting that. Nor does it make theoretical sense.Sexual offenders escalate. This is known. Men convicted of rape and murder will have histories of flashing. Those who have escalated to committing a contact types of sexual offence will meet the charging criteria for violent crimes, in the process of committing sexual assault. There's nothing non-violent about non-consensual access to someone's body for the purposes of sexual gratification. There is precedent that cutting someone's ponytail without their consent qualifies as Actual Bodily Harm, and sexual assault is a far more major violation than that.It's absolutely ludicrous to believe a population could include sexual offenders but not murderers. I'd find the other way around more plausible.

Mustn't gatekeep.

OK, we are kicking political lesbians out of the lesbian club, and transvestites out of the trans club.

Is everyone happy now? 🙂