Complaints against NZ media not upheld regarding Kelly Jay Keen's rally

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https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/12/posie-parker-anti-trans-new-zealand-australia/

In summary, regulators have found it accurate for the media to describe KJK as anti-trans and to say that she has the support of Nazis.

"surely women who claim to be men, and are taking testosterone don't know the potential harm it may do to a foetus."

It is a well known risk and they would be advised against it by health care organisations.

The most recent abomination is "women who call themselves men" deliberately taking testosterone throughout pregnancy precisely for its mutagenic effects on the foetus.

They hope to give birth to babies who have disorders of sexual development, focussing on the fetishisation of "intersex" people, the surface symptomatology of malformed genitalia and the notion that if there are more intersex people it will validate "trans identities".

"Defending the Indefensible or It’s Not Us Who Are Acting Like Nazis

Extract:

"The other day, I read a study called, “Medical uncertainty and reproduction of the “normal”: Decision-making around testosterone therapy in transgender pregnancy”. The quotation marks around “normal” turned out to be significant. Because in the context of queer theory, normal really is a dirty word. To queer is to twist, to break or bend out of shape. Which is fine in a philosophy class, but when translated to real world actions and actual people tends to create a blood on the floor situation, at least metaphorically.

And when dealing with the mental health of pregnant women, queering their fetuses by removing normality removes the choice of those future adults to create their own destinies due to actions that can irreparably damage them."

"There is a reason that treatment approaches during pregnancy are offspring-focused. Because fetal development is the most vulnerable time in a mammalian lifespan, and this is the period when the optimization of any health we are going to have is set.

Thalidomide given to pregnant women caused disastrous birth defects in children, but was very effective in treating morning sickness. It was offspring-focused to stop prescribing an efficacious treatment for a condition that can be truly debilitating for women, but it was the only moral choice."

"the authors clearly feel that the precautionary labor of pregnancy should not apply to this pregnant population, thereby prioritizing their feelings and beliefs over the actual health of their babies. And note that they also seem to be saying that if drowning fetuses in abnormally high levels of testosterone creates more queer people, this is a societal good."

Full article:
https://lucyleader.substack.com/p/defending-the-indefensible-or-its

“Medical uncertainty and reproduction of the “normal”: Decision-making around testosterone therapy in transgender pregnancy”.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2667321523000811

Yes, we know, one of them assaulted a woman in her 70s and fractured her skull.

New Zealand is a fucking shit country which thrives on misogyny and ableism.

For a country which considers itself nice, it's an absolutely abhorrent place.

And I'm still boycotting NZ produce. I recommend other women do and continue to write to the New Zealand high commission to explain what you're doing and why.

Their address is:
New Zealand High Commission
Kinnaird House
1 Pall Mall East
SW1Y 5AU

I rather enjoy these "KJK is vile!" threads.

It's like those comedy duo's where one of them is the "feed" who gives the other one the prompts for the "Boom! Boom!" lines.

Except in this case it inevitably results in them prompting us to expose the utter depravity and blaring misogyny of the "feeds".

So we have two groups. One group says people can not change biological sex, children should not undergo major life changing surgeries and women are entitled to single biological sex spaces
And the other group says beat/rape/kill the first group. Don't let them speak. Punch a terf.

And it's the first group that are dangerous?

Ok then. Good to know.

Hmn

Apparently she sells merchandise on her website to willing buyers to fund her activism

Well that smacks of capitalism which is very non-Nazi.

Are you sure that everybody knows what the ideology is ?

Like are you are totally sure?

What is the social etiquette of protest?

Like, if everybody knows, and given a choice between actual NAZI's and a middle aged women?

I watched some of the happening in Oz as TRA's helpfully uploaded the visual proof that they were forced to made a difficult decision.

But. Like. it was heroic.

TRA's were all prepared, on the street, shouting and making noise.

The police had control of the area and with camera rolling a TRA was set to capture the moment for posterity.

Operation Let them speak was a go!

The TRA provided visual proof of the police escort of actual literal Nazi along the steet.

The TRA provided visual proof of the police escort the gym bunny flag waving actual literal Nazi between themselves and the women speaking.

The TRA managed to capture a good visual of the clear footpath that perfectly parallel the gym bunny flag waving actual literal Nazi all in matching uniforms marching down the road with a light police presence.

TRA helpfully uploaded the visual proof that they made the difficult decision to stand and scream at women.

Like, it was epic!!

Like, the gym bunny flag waving actual literal Nazi all in matching uniforms stopped to wave their actual flags and salute and the TRA's bravely ignored it so that they could scream at women.

WW2 lads storm the beaches of Normandy had nothing on the stunning and brave TRA's.

And we have a right to be able to listen to her and hear other women without fear of violence.

thanks derek. I went looking for that.

Just for dadjoke’s benefit. The image derek has posted is from
the twitter account ‘itsyourxyz’ which was run by David Hilcox. A well known member of the NSN neo nazi group. Much of what is out there and said by that account is gone.

However, this image posted remains archived because it is him telling the world that they attended not to ‘support’ any feminist. But to spite feminists. That group don’t support feminists and they didn’t support Kellie Jay Keen who even back in 2019 had made statements about how much she abhors those who have joined neo-nazi movements.

It seems really strange that dadjoke keeps forgetting that 2019 statement from Kellie Jay. And keeps forgetting to ask why any reader would believe dadjoke’s tired old trope rolled out by so many. What person with the base knowledge of Nazi sentiment and feminism would believe a Nazi would ‘support’ a feminist rally? Only one who wishes to present the feminist rally in such a poor light.

Hey dadjoke, do YOU want to destroy paedophilia? Does that mean you are aligned with the National Socialist Network?

Can you then explain dadjoke why you are on a feminist chat board determined to draw a dishonest connection between a neo nazi group and Kellie Jay Keen? Please be specific. You keep trying to do it for some reason, I think the readers should see your workings set out and evidenced so they know what credibility to give your posts.

This is the person behind KJK's treatment in NZ

www.stuff.co.nz/national/99980477/stuffs-100-best-stories-of-2017--part-one

Like, the gym bunny flag waving actual literal Nazi all in matching uniforms stopped to wave their actual flags and salute and the TRA's bravely ignored it so that they could scream at women.

Indeed. And punch police horses, apparently.

I think you mean to fund her lifestyle, surely?

Well the cross-over is obvious.

She works and produces output and people provide economic support to watch and listen. They choose to support her. Other people choose to scream at her, mis-use the police service to harrass her etc and there was that bloke in NZ who was proud of his stalking and premeditated act of violence.

It takes all sorts.

I see a bloke who pops up on utube he has an automatic lawnmower. He named it, then he stuck a camera and wobbly eyes on. People pay for his livestreams to watch it cut grass.🤷

To encourage viwership he also stuck some wobbly eyes on a spade which stops the lawnmower 😀

Oh he now has a lawnmower brand deal too.

The lawnmower guy sounds strangely entertaining, more power to his elbow

And yet it is near the very top of the table of countries on the Global Gender Gap Index, which measures gender equality.

It is 4th and, oh, in fact, the top 4 countries performing best for women all have policies of gender self ID! Bizarre eh?!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/244387/the-global-gender-gap-index/#:~:text=The%20global%20gender%20gap%20index%202023&text=The%20global%20gender%20gap%20index%20benchmarks%20national%20gender%20gaps%20on,with%20a%20score%20of%200.91.

Where is the UK on that list, can't see it anywhere near the top anyway.

Well the first problem with those stats is that they call it gender equality rather than sex equality.

Are they measuring equality between two clearly defined groups of people, one of which has historically been oppressed and exploited for its reproductive labour by the other, due to having a smaller body designed for childbearing and a high likelihood of having small children more or less permanently attached to it for a number of years, or are they measuring equality between two not properly defined groups of people which are self identified into on the basis of some entirely imaginary characteristics?

I fundamentally do not trust any source referring to "gender equality".

@suggestionsplease1 you keep bringing out this gender equality index. I wish you would provide an actual link to the source of the data, rather than a ripped off paywalled version with no info about the source of the data. From the title, I think the origin of the data is the World Economic Forum's report on gender equality - www.weforum.org/reports/global-gender-gap-report-2023/

The UK is 15th on the list.

Are you suggesting that a tiny fraction of a population Id-ing as trans is likely to have a dramatic impact on these statistics? That's risible.

You will be aware that trans people, as a group demographic, score poorly on all outcomes this survey measures, so transwomen who ID as women on these surveys will bring the overall outcomes for women down if anything, certainly not up.

One really implies the other, though.

Doesn't it?

I reference Statista for ease of access - it provides an immediate and accessible graphic for people rather than having to wade through a voluminous report.

But yes, I certainly agree with people reading the original report and thanks for providing it.

More than half of women in New Zealand have experienced DV.

The police officer who was part of the decision to fail to protect KJK from the angry mob is a middle aged transitioner.

I rest my case.