Complaints against NZ media not upheld regarding Kelly Jay Keen's rally

[LizaBizza]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/12/posie-parker-anti-trans-new-zealand-australia/

In summary, regulators have found it accurate for the media to describe KJK as anti-trans and to say that she has the support of Nazis.

@Datun don't forget the 'bonus hole'.

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What?

No one is trying to stop the trans-activist side from holding meetings or public events to discuss their concerns. They can already meet in public no problem.

When it comes to counter-protest, yes you may have that "right", but it's authoritarian if your agenda isn't merely to speak, but rather to try to stop other people from speaking.

You can't try to destroy someone else's lawful event, and of course you also can't use violence.

It's your own side that tends not to believe in free speech and open debate, I'm guessing because you know you can't actually support your lunatic claims, and so people need to be censored instead.

Have you any sympathy for the older lady who had her skull fractured by trans activists, or do you think that that was justified?

What is it about Julie Bindel that you find 'hateful'? Is it her many years of campaigning to help women in prison?

I know of no Lesbians that are happy to have a female female penis in them.

Of course if they are happy to have female dick in them then they are not lesbians.

I suspect that you will come up with a new definition of lesbian that suits your purpose.

I also notice that you use "gay and bi community" missing out lesbians completely (or just ignoring their preferred term).

"In summary, regulators have found it accurate for the media to describe KJK as anti-trans and to say that she has the support of Nazis."

No shit. Neo-nazis were there supporting her, and aside from the fact that KJK has said transgender people should be sterilised (which I guess even GC people would think is transphobic), PP has stated herself that she is transphobic.

WTF? Where exactly has she said this stuff? Links please...

I really didn't believe when people on here used to say that KJK was a target but I guess I was wrong - the amount of batshit stuff that people say about her is ridiculous.

As an aside OP, are you also spending time on trans reddit subs asking why they are so anti women? Or is it just a women's site that you like to troll..?

I can assure you the number of lesbians(and gay men) who support trans-rights far outnumber the TERF ones, especially amongst the younger generations.

So do you have any polling that asks lesbians their views on things like single sex sports, single sex changing rooms, the ability to hold single sex lesbian events?

You really need to specify in polls something like, "they still have their penis, they may have a beard, but they are wearing a dress and they feel more comfortable in the women's changing rooms".

The majority of lesbians support that, and there is polling evidence for this?

I don't think it's impossible that lesbians would show higher levels of support, because for one thing they may tend to identify with the LGBT movement and be politically liberal. So it's quite possible that some of them just go along with it out of tribal affiliation, or the social pressure that is exerted on them.

But we really need polling evidence, and probably from multiple Western countries.

I can assure you the number of lesbians(and gay men) who support trans-rights far outnumber the TERF ones, especially amongst the younger generations.

Never been asked. Not once. So here's someone missed from these statistics you've obviously got access to.....

who exactly gathered them and where? Because the thing about 'well all my friends who are lesbians say... and everyone in my TQ+ supportive lesbian group say....' is about the same as proudly saying 'there are no Labour voters in my Young Conservatives club'. Those places have pushed all the non compliant, non politically obedient, willing to do men type lesbians out.

So yes, they will be missing from your field of experience. But it's not like a vanishing spell, they do still all exist, and they are still all lesbians.

This Kiwi appreciates the sunshine on this matter

She's said she's transphobic more than once, in this interview at 6m40secs is an example.

But in that video, she made it clear that the word didn't mean anything. She was saying, "if that's what it means then sure".

So she wasn't endorsing hatred, or irrational fear, or unethical discrimination.

But DadJoke, what about her hair?? C'mon, with hair like that, surely she can say anything! Lichurallyyyy whatevah she likes.

I bet you're a teensy weensy bit jealous aren't you? Go on, admit it <wags finger>.

But she doesn't describe herself or self identify as 'anti-trans' she describes her self as a woman's rights activist. She doesn't have anything against trans people until they encroach into wrong sex spaces (making them mixed sex).

So self ID for some but not for others, eh? The ideology doesn't even stand up by its own rules, unless of course you assume there's an overlord class and an underclass (of females who don't get to have inner thoughts or feelings of their own).

They weren’t exercising a right to speak. They would have crushed her to death if her security had not been there.

A right to speak does not include a right to silence or drown out ( or kill) someone else. That’s just being a thug and a bully.

It's not exactly a real "receipt" in this context.

Yes she literally used the word about herself, but she explicitly gave it a different definition, or a definition where it would be question-begging to say that she admitted to anything bad.

So it's actually evidence that defends KJK.

She wasn't admitting to real transphobia. She was making the point that the term had become meaningless.

For anyone to take that out of context, and say, "she admitted to being transphobic", would be dishonest use of the quote.

I don't know about the sterilisation quote so I'm not commenting on it.

Maya Forstater lost her first court case too. Things change.

Where I am at grass roots level there seem to be the start of the push back against damaging aspects of trans ideology but there is still a lot of capture of politics and media which is slowly, slowly falling away thanks to the hubris of the movement. Personally I think both Leah Thomas and Emily Bridges and in particular Isla Bryson have brought massive sunlight to the issues.

Well one of the first times KJK waded into this debate was to criticise Susie Green for sterilising her child (removing the parts of the body that produce gametes) and she's pretty on the record for thinking sterilisation of children to be a bad thing, however they identify.

I don't believe she really thinks trans people should be sterilised, I suspect it's a quote twisted and taken out of context (like everything else). I'm also a bit surprised that someone who is pro the TRA agenda would try and make out saying this is so awful given it's what 'gender affirming' surgery - at least for males- does as a point of fact. There's a lot of anger whenever any medical professionals try and limit or put boundaries around 'gender affirming drugs and surgery' (the surgery inevitably involves sterilisation for male trans people and i think the drugs effectively result in sterilisation for females eventually given testosterone leads to uterine and vaginal atrophy).

the Stock prof woman whom her students wanted rid of

Mine didn't, but knows the spitting backlash that would occur from fellow students on daring to say so. Universities are worrying places for critical-thinking moderates at present.

The 'Nazis' that turned up outside the Australian parliament had signs saying they were against Paedos.

It's only trans activists that think that was about them. And we can't say why that would be.

Given that the trans activists were the ones who showed up with weapons and balaclavas to assault women who were just exercising their right to speak, the only sensible conclusion that can be drawn from this is that both the NZ media and its regulator are irredeemably compromised.

That actually sounds like KJK is advocating for little girls to take puberty blockers and then testosterone: "women who call themselves men should be sterilised" - because that is the outcome.

However, we know that she advocates the complete opposite.

If the tweet had been shown in context, it would be clear what she was angry about. This comment was part of a conversation, not a random statement out of the blue.

It was about those particular "women who call themselves men" who decide to continue taking testosterone throughout their pregnancy, knowing but not caring that this would harm their babies, babies that they inexplicably want to bear despite all aspects of being female allegedly triggering the most frightful "gender dysphoria".

Not the cleverest way to express her concern but since it is not something she or anyone else is lobbying for as a condition of "gender reassignment", I think "women who call themselves men" can rest easy in their beds.

Meanwhile, on another side of town, "Decapitate TERFs" signs, men (if I am not misgendering them) carrying a mock guillotine, actual violence against women who dare to want to meet to discuss women's rights and safeguarding children.

Anything to say about that?

Oh yes! I remember. Males must be excused their threats and violence on the grounds of their "frustration", "natural anger", etc.

Direct threats and actual violence are "excusable" but not a woman's frustration at the abject narcissism of females who deliberately risk serious harm to their own babies, with repercussions into childhood and adult life.

Well the comment about people being sterilised I completely disagree with her on.
As for the so called 'transphobia' you are clutching at straws and you know it.

But thanks for the 'receipts'...

It was about those particular "women who call themselves men"who decide to continue taking testosterone throughout their pregnancy, knowing but not caring that this would harm their babies, babies that they inexplicably want to bear despite all aspects of being female allegedly triggering the most frightful "gender dysphoria".

Not the cleverest way to express her concern but since it is not something she or anyone else is lobbying for as a condition of "gender reassignment", I think"women who call themselves men"can rest easy in their beds.

This is actually a really good point - surely women who claim to be men, and are taking testosterone don't know the potential harm it may do to a foetus. Not to mention the ridiculousness of claiming you are a man and then doing the most essential woman thing ever in getting pregnant.