Complaints against NZ media not upheld regarding Kelly Jay Keen's rally

[LizaBizza]

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/09/12/posie-parker-anti-trans-new-zealand-australia/

In summary, regulators have found it accurate for the media to describe KJK as anti-trans and to say that she has the support of Nazis.

Oh yay!!

Shall I dig up all that I found on what this list is based on? And how absolutely irrelevant your assumptions are for ‘self ID’ because nothing that is assessed to create this list really relevant for these countries being exemplary for female people. You are making claims your cannot even substantiate!

And you keep trying this on new threads. Aren’t you embarrassed by how little you understand about how this list was compiled by now?

The irony

Gender gaps go poof when self ID is the norm.

Eg
Irish prisons are still single gender but a male child abuser was still placed in with women.

An Irish women has a right to and abortion unless she decided she is male gendered.

And the latest one police in the US have been sucessfully lobbied to nolonger record sex or race so news reports will be somebody killed somebody.

He is
He is homesteading(?) and has a dog and cats and ducklings and is very good and making stuff sound and look easy and cheerful.

He also sells merch that he uses for his beard.

@Clymene I didn't know that!

The stats are shocking

goodshepherd.org.nz/economic-harm/new-zealand-family-violence-and-economic-harm-statistics/

@AnSolas is it Nate, with Minion and the ducks. I find his voice strangely therapeutic, in small doses.

@Clymene I was aware of the endemic and epidemic dv in NZ, MN zapped my comment while I was trying to edit for clarification. But the tw police bloke!

Oh sorry!

I came across a very enlightening thread on Twitter with internal policing documents. If you don't have Twitter, the following link should work

resee.it/tweet/1702125388871475422

Did you ever come back and tell us how in 2022 Rwanda got to be sixth on this list when it is a country that is in the bottom 50 countries for women dying in childbirth? When they have an entire section dedicated to 'Health & Survival'?

Yet you declare this index as meaningful in judging how well women are doing in the world?

Do you understand that this is not an assessment on how well women are doing in general in a country, but on whether female people are doing as well as male people in a particular country?

That a country may have a low attainment in education overall, but that female people are doing just as POORLY as male people.

Do you understand that?

You have tried to use this list for something that it is really not. And to do that requires every person reading your posts to ignore all the obvious fucking discrepancies in it. And ignore the glaring fucking obvious fact that there are some fucking doozies in the list after the countries you wish to lionise.

note to readers: I am sure you don't need to be reminded... but always look further at the data including at the countries that Suggestions want you to focus on while ignoring the others. And always look at how the data is pulled and shaped into such an index.

So, let's get to evaluating this.

Please can you explain how Rwanda was in the Top 10 last year? That would be a great start.

Tell us why you think Rwanda is a great place for female people and how well they are doing?

Did you ever come back and tell us how NZ with such an appalling record in violence against women and children hangs in there in the Top 5? Oh.... and expect NZ to drop because they no longer have a female head of state. Because.... ta da... having a female head of state is one of the measures that is considered in the algorithm in creating this. This is a major, major part of what they use for the 'Political Empowerment' information.

In fact suggestions, expect ITALY to go skyrocketing up this index in 2024! Because female head of state features pretty heavily in my memory. Imagine that!!!

So, getting back to that VAWAG, how was it in 2022 that Namibia, Nicaragua and Rwanda with women not even bothering to report violence against them to be even registered are in the Top 10? In 2023, Nicaragua and Namibia are still in the top 10 with Rwanda now at 12th.

Hell, this year's report noted that MALTA had a substantial jump in women in Parliament . MALTA! It jumped 15 places this year ! I mean it is number 70 still, but was rewarded by that jump of 15 places.

Do you remember how they compile 'gender equality' data based on roles? They are using "LinkedIn' information. They are not detailing what % of the workplace they think this covers, or what % of people keep this up to date or what % increase in 'female people taking on roles' is just women joining LinkedIn for the first time or updating their profile.

I certainly haven't plugged in my 'skills' etc on LinkedIn, yet, this is what they are using. It will certainly bias countries who rely on LinkedIn for recruitment won't it? In fact... it will certainly produce a bias to women who are in positions in Multi national organisations or in any organisation that they feel benefits from them having some kind of LinkedIn profile. And forget about the women who have experienced a lifetime of negative sexist discrimination and don't publish that they are female in their employment profiles. All those other women, nah... you don't get counted. (I have quite a few female friends in senior management positions who do not use LinkedIn at all, so it is rather a hit or miss measure in my experience)

They are not using government collated, checked and published sources. Why not?

While this is maybe a useful tool for some people, it simply does not represent what you keep telling everyone it represents. What is fucking bizarre, is your adherence to posting it on thread after thread as some kind of fucking gotcha.

The point is that making the category one people subjectively identify into as opposed to one they are objectively born into makes these statistics unreliable.

Indeed, there are pretty much no statistics regarding trans people which can be deemed reliable, whatever they are trying to measure, due to the subjective nature of the questions and participation and lack of clarity over terminology.

In my workplace, for example, it would only take one senior man to start identifying as a woman and be recorded as one to suggest that the women are significantly better paid than the men, even though this is not true.

Whilst I don't expect trans people to have a huge impact on national figures, I will still treat any survey such as this which can't even correctly identify that it should be reporting on a sex equality and not gender equality with inherent suspicion. What other methodologies have they got wrong?

Ah yes, @Helleofabore, Malta. That country where abortion is completely illegal and a female tourist suffering from life threatening pregnancy complications had to be evacuated to Spain for a medically necessary termination.

Thanks @Clymene very self congratulatory and complacent. Perhaps when you see as much violence against women as NZ Police do (I wonder if they take their work home with them?), it's just another day in the office.

Some more about Nicaragua.

https://borgenproject.org/womens-rights-in-nicaragua/

I have no idea about the source, the fact is that we should all be checking what it says for factual accuracy anyway.

This is what UNwomen say about Nicaragua:

Globally, some progress on women’s rights has been achieved. In Nicaragua, as of February 2021, 48.4% of seats in parliament were held by women. In 2012, 89.8% of women of reproductive age (15-49 years) had their need for family planning satisfied with modern methods.

However, work still needs to be done in Nicaragua to achieve gender equality. 35.2% of women aged 20–24 years old who were married or in a union before age 18. The adolescent birth rate is 102.6 per 1,000 women aged 15-19 as of 2018, down from 106.4 per 1,000 in 2017. In 2018, 6.4% of women aged 15-49 years reported that they had been subject to physical and/or sexual violence by a current or former intimate partner in the previous 12 months.

This is what it said about Iceland:

Globally, some progress on women’s rights has been achieved. In Iceland, 91.7% of legal frameworks that promote, enforce and monitor gender equality under the SDG indicator, with a focus on violence against women, are in place. The adolescent birth rate is 5.3 per 1,000 women aged 15–19 as of 2018, down from 6 per 1,000 in 2017. As of February 2021, 39.7% of seats in parliament were held by women.

However, work still needs to be done in Iceland to achieve gender equality. In 2018, 2.8% of women aged 15-49 years reported that they had been subject to physical and/or sexual violence by a current or former intimate partner in the previous 12 months.

Perhaps Suggestions might address just what it is about the WEF index that will be impacted by 'self ID' ? What is collected that will show the success or not of 'Self ID'?

Here are the values that drive the algorithm for WEF Gender Gap report:

Economic Participation and Opportunity
Labour-force participation rate %
Wage equality for similar work 1-7 (best)
Estimated earned income int'l $ 1,000
Legislators, senior officials and managers %
Professional and technical workers %

Educational Attainment
Literacy rate %
Enrolment in primary education %
Enrolment in secondary education %
Enrolment in tertiary education %

Health and Survival
Sex ratio at birth %
Healthy life expectancy

Political Empowerment
Women in parliament %
Women in ministerial positions %
Years with female/male head of state (last 50)

If a male declares themselves a female as an MP, that country will rise up the index. Imagine that.... that Political Empowerment could be driving force for a country to be considered a champion of 'women's gendered' rights...

Indeed margot, this has been explained to suggestions many times. In fact, almost word for word.

It really is like suggestions is on a repeat cycle.

sorry, I will paste what was under the 'borgenproject' link

WOMEN’S RIGHTS IN NICARAGUA

Violence Against Women
In Nicaragua, violence against women in the form of abuse is one of the most serious social issues that the country faces. Among married women in Nicaragua, 52% have reported cases of spousal abuse, with a median duration of five years. Additionally, 21% of these women reported an overlap between both emotional and sexual violence, with 31% of these women being sexually and/or violently abused during their pregnancy.

Needless to say, these statistics are disheartening and scary. With such high rates of abuse around the country, there seems to be little or no hope for Nicaraguan women to escape this abusive cycle. However, there are several organizations that have contributed to the decrease of sexual abuse in southern countries, such as Self-Help International. It is the largest global organization that works to prevent torture and abuse of all sorts by educating and empowering women in developing countries. Misinformation about abusive relationships is very common among Nicaraguan women. Organizations like this allow women to escape this kind of relationship.

The Gender Gap
The Human Development Report has ranked Nicaragua 124 out of 189 countries based on Gender Equality Index in 2017. Additionally, women are more likely to face poverty in Nicaragua than men. With facts like these, it is evident that there is a disparity between men and women in Nicaragua.

Family members are often the ones who push women in Nicaragua to the sex trafficking industry. Additionally, 28% of Nicaraguan women give birth before they are 18, which is mostly due to sexual violence. This is the issue of society not discouraging violence against women.

Women’s Rights and Poverty
The 2016 poverty rate in Nicaragua was 24.9% with an average salary being $265. A large number of women in Nicaragua experience pregnancy at a young age. They usually stay at home and care for their children rather than working and garnering an income. However, the income that their male counterparts provide for their families is frequently insufficient. In fact, about 78% of households in Nicaragua live in ‘substandard’ conditions, the highest rate in all of Latin America.

This problem returns to the roots of the gender gap and women’s treatment in Nicaragua. It means that the cycle of women having children at a young age and caring for them with a low household income will only continue across the years, even affecting future generations. This means that one of the most important places to start with solving this problem is encouraging education about abuse.

Solutions
Though there are certain difficult cases that prevent the maximum execution of women’s rights in Nicaragua, hope still exists for the country. With a declining number of abuse cases due to the exposure of organizations like Self-Help International, women’s rights in Nicaragua are beginning to solidify. Self-Help has been working to solve global issues like hunger and poverty since 1999, and it provides education and opportunities for women in these countries. In 2019, Self-Help was able to offer clean drinking water to 3,600 Nicaraguan residents in nine communities. With this preceding success, it is likely that Self-Help’s initiative to alleviate the women’s rights issues in Nicaragua will quickly gain traction.

Self-Help is currently working on a project to educate and empower 200 Nicaraguan women through workshops and microloans. This could lead to a reduction in young women entering and staying in abusive relationships. It is the success of the organizations like this one that can bring hope to women and influence the policymakers when spreading awareness about women’s rights.

Though Nicaragua’s statistics regarding women’s rights and abuse are not yet within positive measures, the work of NGOs should result in the improvement of conditions for women in Nicaragua over the next decades.

– Andra Fofuca

Kind of hard to see how the World Economic Forum is a great measure of how safe women are in their countries at all, let alone with Self ID.

But apparently we are supposed to only look at the countries that Suggestions wants to lionise and ignore the fucking glaring holes in Suggestions claims that are immediately obvious when you look at the very next country.... but... oh those top countries.... they are simply amazing!

Look at this feminists experience in Iceland!

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/12/20/europe/iceland-domestic-violence-intl-cmd/index.html

From the article:

On paper, Iceland is a great place to be a woman. For 12 years running, it has been crowned the world’s top place for gender equality by the World Economic Forum.

It has world-leading equal pay and anti-discrimination laws. Women hold 47% of the seats in its Parliament and make up 46% of the boards of Icelandic companies.

Childcare is heavily subsidized and available to all. Maternity healthcare is free.

But for Árnadóttir and many other women struggling to see justice done, Iceland’s portrayal as a feminist paradise is a far cry from reality – far enough to take the country to court.

The lawsuit, launched in March, was coordinated by several Icelandic NGOs, including Stígamót, a non-profit that campaigns against domestic and sexual violence and provides counseling for survivors.

Steinunn Guðjónsdóttir, Stígamót’s spokesperson and fundraising manager, told CNN the group reviewed a number of recent cases of alleged violence against women that had been dismissed by the police or prosecutors, and found that the victims’ rights had allegedly been violated in several of them.

gosh.... if her boyfriend was actually investigated and jailed and then decided he was a woman.... would Iceland prison service put an abusive male in a female prison...

That would be a very real impact of SELF ID. And we all know that rapid onset prison gender dysphoria is a thing.

Suggestions shall we post the numerous examples of males with Rapid Onset Prison Gender Dysphoria from just the UK, a country WITHOUT self ID? Shall we?

Political Empowerment
Women in parliament %
Women in ministerial positions %
Years with female/male head of state (last 50)

This one has always amused me. The last criterion is HoS rather than HoG. So NZ and UK lost points because of the death of QE2 not because Jacinda Adern and Liz Truss resigned.

Don’t worry though. UK could move Jamie into a ministerial position and do really well!!

Imagine how much better the USA is doing with Levine in position. And how gold the US military look!!!

But hey… did you read about the Top 5 countries in the WEF index on Statistica! Bloody fucking brilliant examples of self ID and how it doesn’t negatively impact women and girls, eh? Fucking brilliant stuff!!

"Perhaps Suggestions might address just what it is about the WEF index that will be impacted by 'self ID' ? What is collected that will show the success or not of 'Self ID'?"

Good point.

The whole thing is a distraction imo.

Even if we imagine that there was a correlation, who cares? What would it prove?

You need to look specifically at the issue of self ID and argue well logically it creates such and such problems, or doesn't create those problems. Or you could bring in evidence like crime statistics, or polling that shows that it is (or isn't) causing distress to women.

I guess in theory you could try to argue that self ID is good for advancing women's success and economic equality, but that just seems bizarre. So I'm going to say it's a distraction to get out of having to directly defend the policy.

I am not anti-women, I am against transphobia. Most GC people are men, and the idea that you can use "women" as a synonym for GC people is laughable.

In addition, the vast majority of gay people, men and women, have a favourable opinion of transgender people.

The attached image shows the tweet where she said transgender men should be sterilised.

She has also suggested feminism should be abandoned.

Julie Bindel correctly said "I despise the latest tactics of Posie Parker and disciples, and want no part in it. As far as I am concerned, they are motivated by narcissism, bigotry, and ego. They are causing harm. THE END." Subsequently, Bindel seems to have changed her mind,. though she's never explicitly addressed it.

A full breakdown of her views, with links to the original videos is here. If you think she has been taken out of context - watch her videos.

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Do you support female people on testosterone continuing their testosterone treatment during pregnancy then DadJoke?

Here's my bullshit! All over again!

It really is a case of just hoping women are stupid enough that someone might fall for it, hence the endless bloody recycling.

But no. Women really aren't that stupid. It's the whole problem of 'transphobia' really in a nutshell.

This is interesting, re NZ police...

https://resee.it/tweet/1702125388871475422

We've already discussed that shitty video at length here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4849602-kjk-and-the-neo-nazis-video

But they wanna.

This whole putting the needs of a child above your own in ways that present boundaries to doing you and whatever it is you want in the moment is so heterocisnormativeanticlownfishnaziism.

And so what if it totally destroys your child's life? We'll just call it another identity and have a flag for it and yay.

It's like the whole 'there's nothing wrong with self ID in prisons' - there's nothing the trans person is finding inconvenient, so it's fine. The rapes, and the disabled babies with ruined lives?

Yeah that's not like it's bothering anyone who matters.

This is trying to celebrate and normalise a very distorted world view indeed that is really not normal, that is highly damaged and indicating a highly damaged person. Well people do not think like this or have this total inability to care about others. And it's largely about permitting a person with this distortion to be able to do whatever they want without experiencing boundaries or others saying/responding in ways that make them feel bad for doing it.

It's the removal of conscience. It's adult toddlerhood. Fuck that.