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Roisin Murphy

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WarriorN · 24/08/2023 06:38

Is it true? Did did say this?

"Puberty blockers ARE FUCKED! Big pharma laughing all the way to the bank!"

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RealityFan · 02/09/2023 20:37

I guarantee a mutation in this current story will be venues finally hosting her refusing entry to anyone wearing # IStandWithRóisín t-shirts etc.
Because of the words = actual violence mantra, a threat to trans fans/allies/staff.

Biffology · 02/09/2023 21:03

@RealityFan

We don't really need a t-shirt, just an open mind.

And words may do a lot of things but they can never be as harmful as censorship, including so-called 'cancellation'.

https://shenandoahliterary.org/blog/2017/08/first-they-came-by-martin-niemoller/

“First they came . . .” by Martin Niemoller – Shenandoah

https://shenandoahliterary.org/blog/2017/08/first-they-came-by-martin-niemoller

RexWillKillYou · 02/09/2023 23:25

Well that hat is indefensible, but we had a Moloko/Róisín disco in the kitchen today- the teenagers didn’t know my reasoning but they liked it.

Hold fast Roisin, it’s all going to be fine.

Caughtinlove · 02/09/2023 23:27

Nice to see some support for her from Dave Haslam (influential music writer/DJ).

IcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2023 23:58

An archive link to the Unherd article upthread for those, like me, who've used up this months ration

https://archive.ph/aopzw

She's had a long career in music, like Glinner in TV and comedy. It's disgusting how few people, her friends and colleagues, are speaking up for her. They must recognise that, even if they disagree with her, she has a right to say it. Ffs, it wasn't even initially a public statement. Tras are gonna tra, bile is all they have, but the ones who know this is wrong and stay silent?

elgreco · 03/09/2023 00:04

Cowards i

RealityFan · 03/09/2023 00:10

IcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2023 23:58

An archive link to the Unherd article upthread for those, like me, who've used up this months ration

https://archive.ph/aopzw

She's had a long career in music, like Glinner in TV and comedy. It's disgusting how few people, her friends and colleagues, are speaking up for her. They must recognise that, even if they disagree with her, she has a right to say it. Ffs, it wasn't even initially a public statement. Tras are gonna tra, bile is all they have, but the ones who know this is wrong and stay silent?

As I've unwrapped nearly a decade of less and less comprehensible events in this toxic ideology, my disdain has moved from the perpetrators, to the allies, now to those who are keeping quiet.

I get the TRAs...damaged individuals high on misogyny, activist teens who believe the lies they're fed.

Even to some extent the allies, many believe they're on the right side of history.

No, those I'll never forget and never forgive are those that absolutely don't believe in this ideology, yet for any number of reasons keep their mouths shut.

How can the likes of Taylor Swift, high on her strong female self determination schtick, or Jo Wiley, with her Glasto cool persona, etc etc, stay silent as a female compatriot is run into the ground?

Biffology · 03/09/2023 00:17

@IcakethereforeIam

it wasn't even initially a public statement

Exactly.

Have you read the rest of this thread ? If not, I examine the screen-shot and ask why Roisin begins her post with 'please don't call me a terf' . Why say that ?

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WarriorN · 03/09/2023 07:46

She lived in Manchester and Sheffield which is where she got into the music biz. Love this exchange

I like to think I may have passed her in Afflecks Palace or attempting to get into the Leadmill.

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ArabeIIaScott · 03/09/2023 08:08

WarriorN · 02/09/2023 20:02

Interestingly, though I've only done a cursory glance, there's only really positive comments on YouTube re <all this> .

I'm starting to think half the idiots commenting don't know who she is, aren't really fans and are basically all trolling a woman.

That would be SOP.

Igneococcus · 03/09/2023 09:09

From Sarah Ditum's colum in the Sunday Times today:

"One wrong note and trans police pull the plug
On holiday in Croatia, I visited the Red History Museum in Dubrovnik. Here I learnt that one of the worst miseries of communism was being constantly monitored — not by the police, but by your neighbours, who might denounce you on a whim.
I thought about that when I heard that the singer Roisin Murphy had been found guilty of “transphobia” on the basis of a single Facebook comment. She apologised for causing offence but that didn’t spare her. Her label, Ninja Tune, said it would not be promoting her new album. The Rough Trade East venue in London announced that two gigs she was due to perform were cancelled.
Yet Murphy’s comment was hardly an outrageous act of bigotry. She criticised puberty blockers and said “mixed-up kids are vulnerable and need to be protected”. This is more or less the position of the Cass review, which found problems in NHS gender services for children.
Anyone who cared about trans people would agree that experimental treatments with serious side effects should be, at best, a line of last resort.
This kind of furore is never really about trans people, though. It’s about keeping women in a state of fear. However talented you are, however carefully you make your point, your life can be smashed up in front of you if you don’t follow the script."

Róisín Murphy: ‘I don’t see any men who’ve had the career I’ve had’

Back with a new album, the former Moloko star talks about fame, fashion — and being chucked out of a party by Grace Jones

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/roisin-murphy-i-dont-see-any-men-whove-had-the-career-ive-had-nwprrg9gt

Igneococcus · 03/09/2023 09:11

I have no idea how the link to the interview with Roisin copied into my previous post, I hadn't even seen it yet. I'll get a share token for it.

Slothtoes · 03/09/2023 09:13

Isn’t it three, not two, promo gigs cancelled if you include an appearance for Homoelectric in Manchester- assuming that cancellation is true?

Are the record label still saying nothing? That’s appalling if so.

WarriorN · 03/09/2023 09:21

Thank you for this; a fabulous interview but not the one youve quoted by Ditum above?

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Igneococcus · 03/09/2023 09:25

@WarriorN No, Sarah Ditum's column today (standing in for Camilla Long) is about men feeling under pressure to live up to beauty standards, she just mentions Roisin at the end. What I C&P'd is all there is from Sarah on this topic.

ArabeIIaScott · 03/09/2023 09:32

Roisin's album is #1 on Amazon in Dance & Electronic.

And Ninja Tune still seem to have it linked prominently in their 'link tree'.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hit-Parade-R%C3%B3is%C3%ADn-Murphy/dp/B0C4KQYS8B/ref=zg_bs_g_music_sccl_2/262-5940048-9509218

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RealityFan · 03/09/2023 09:43

I think the cancellation froth is really manic re Róisín. Ok, JKR was super cool amongst the young crowd and older fantasy addicts because of HP, so she was the first "hip" artist to be considered as a sellout to the zeitgeist.
She wasn't a Nadine Dorries coming out as trans skeptical to groans of "we always knew you were a Tory scum fascist".

But Róisín goes beyond JKR is the hip/ally stakes. I can only imagine someone like Kylie, Madonna (back in the day) or Bjork, being a bigger turncoat/traitor.

Róisín ticks every box with her queer friendly/alphabet inclusive fanbase within her overall super popular wider fandom incl plenty of GCs, and everyone who's not saying anything and just wants to dance.

And so the reaction is harsher, the put down more telling, the penalty/punishment more painful, and the ramifications more threatening.

For the tide against her, it needs to bury her. So that noone else, least of all anyone who is currently viewed as a big queer ally, is even tempted for a nanosecond to say anything.

At some point, a famous cancellation will be one too many. That one slaying that brings the whole policy into sharp relief. The one that can't be left to stand.

It could have been JKR, but she fought back and is as popular as ever with Strike. It could have been Glinner, but his tactic of maximum strong language counts against him somewhat. It could be Jordan Peterson with his current cancelling by the Canadian Psychotherapies Association, but he's very Marmite, and Glinner and him are men.

No, Róisín is much loved, a woman, an older woman, absolutely esconsced in the queer love fraternity, and is not a headbanging GC activist.

I believe she's the litmus test for this period. Is society truly going to allow this person to be rubbed out?

irishfeminist · 03/09/2023 10:18

I wish her female high profile friends and fans would speak up. People like Sharon Horgan. From what I know of her there is no way she believes TWAW but she stays silent to protect her career.

RealityFan · 03/09/2023 10:35

irishfeminist · 03/09/2023 10:18

I wish her female high profile friends and fans would speak up. People like Sharon Horgan. From what I know of her there is no way she believes TWAW but she stays silent to protect her career.

Its amazing, isn't it?
Pick any from this lucky dip...
Brexit, Tories, migrants crisis, Green issues, VAWG, Andrew Tate, child poverty, Ukraine, Covid, that kiss, racism, white privilege, # MeToo etc etc etc
... there'll be less than a cigarette paper between 99.9% of people in the public eye, and no shortage of shouting about it all in public (morning, Carol Vorderman etc).
But, comment on the Cass Report? Dylan Mulvaney? SJB? Assault of KJK? Lia Thomas/Austin Killips/Emily Bridges? Attempt to silence Kath Stock, Maya Forstater etc?

And critically, "one of their own" Róisín, a freethinking freewheeling artist that just 5 minutes ago the likes of Sharon Horgan would be queueing up to appear in a promo or in an interview with, now is worth less than the shit on her shoe.

The men cosplaying at being women, the girls who genuinely feel life would be better if they were boys, the trans allies feeling they're shouting and screaming on the right side of history, these are all worthy of maximum attention.

But the silent majority. The likes of Sharon and other writers, Adele and other singers, Cox, Tulleken twins, and O'Briain and other popular scientists, the vast swathe of left leaning media types, who know what's wrong here.
I can never forgive civic society for silent compliance.

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