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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Vogue - another captured publication?

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SabrinaThwaite · 23/08/2023 09:20

Vogue magazine has published a piece by Emily Bridges:

I Was Banned From Competitive Cycling Because I’m Trans. That Won’t Stop Me Fighting For My Rights.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/emily-bridges-trans-cyclist?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned

Full of the usual hogwash and inaccuracies, and the discredited CCES report is doing some heavy lifting.

And apparently they will be trying to take British Cycling to court. We shall see.

I Was Banned From Competitive Cycling Because I’m Trans. That Won’t Stop Me Fighting For My Rights

Cyclist Emily Bridges has been competitively racing since she was 10 years old, but now, due to new policies introduced by British Cycling, she’s been banned from competing in the women’s category.

https://www.vogue.co.uk/article/emily-bridges-trans-cyclist?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_social-type=owned

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SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 18:43

Baldieheid · 29/08/2023 18:39

I think I'd nominate Sophie Unwin and her pilot, Jenny Holl, to Vogue as truly inspirational female cyclists.

Gold medal winners. I mean, c'mon. Gold. Medal. Winners.

Who could argue against these 2 powerhouses?

Or Lizzie Deignan or Laura Kenny or Elinor Barker (I’m sure there are others) who manage to compete at the top level and combine with (in some cases very recent) motherhood.

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Helleofabore · 29/08/2023 18:45

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You are giving a great live demonstration here. Good job in showing your convincing arguments to the many readers who will now be reading along. Because I am quite sure with your posts this thread will soon appear in trending!

Great result!

Thank you!

viques · 29/08/2023 18:47

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 18:39

viques But how do I know what are man thoughts and what are woman thoughts?

I only know what my own thoughts are (and that’s quite confusing enough).

I am not sure either but think it is on the lines of

Man thoughts good.

Woman thoughts not good.

George Orwell would have a field day if he was alive wouldn’t he?

Helleofabore · 29/08/2023 18:48

So no evidence at all @shuddupayaface for that false claim about suicides?

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 18:48

Ah, the magic “Karen” word.

Nothing like a bit of casual misogyny and ageism eh?

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JanesLittleGirl · 29/08/2023 18:50

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 18:05

Trans women are women, psychologically and socially, if not physically.
I’m secure enough in my womanhood to make space for those who feel like a woman but weren’t born so. Despite the anti-woke propaganda, this will not affect women negatively. It especially won’t lead to massively increased suicide rates for women up to the level they’re at for the trans population.

Oh stop being so horrible to Emily. Emily's argument is that Emily is physically a woman.

As for the rest of your post, I cannot believe anybody can be so lacking in the ability to think without needing to be watered twice a day.

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 18:52

viques · 29/08/2023 18:43

No, you can’t feed a baby with a chest, as transmen who have undergone radical breast surgery have discovered too late , you need breasts to feed a baby.

Formula is fine too ;)

Baldieheid · 29/08/2023 18:52

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 18:43

Or Lizzie Deignan or Laura Kenny or Elinor Barker (I’m sure there are others) who manage to compete at the top level and combine with (in some cases very recent) motherhood.

Yep. And that's just cyclists.

There's no shortage of inspiring and amazing women.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 18:53

viques · 29/08/2023 18:47

I am not sure either but think it is on the lines of

Man thoughts good.

Woman thoughts not good.

George Orwell would have a field day if he was alive wouldn’t he?

TBF ole Eric was a bit of a visionary, wasn’t he?

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viques · 29/08/2023 18:53

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 18:52

Formula is fine too ;)

I agree, you see, when you stick to facts we can find common ground.

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 18:56

A quick google search will take you to oodles of peer reviewed studies into the matter. Welcome to the internet 😇

viques · 29/08/2023 18:57

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 18:53

TBF ole Eric was a bit of a visionary, wasn’t he?

Indeed he was. I went on an Open House tour of Senate House once and went into room 101. It’s a lot nicer than I imagined 🙂

viques · 29/08/2023 18:59

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 18:56

A quick google search will take you to oodles of peer reviewed studies into the matter. Welcome to the internet 😇

Are you talking breast feeding, formula feeding , transgender suicide or female brain psychology?

Baldieheid · 29/08/2023 18:59

viques · 29/08/2023 18:59

Are you talking breast feeding, formula feeding , transgender suicide or female brain psychology?

She's talking cheese, silly.

Aren't you, petal?

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 19:00

I’m sure we all have lots of common ground, unfortunately the patriarchy loves a bit of woman on [incl. trans] woman battering, keeps us all going in a backwards kind of direction 😛 divide and conquer and all that

Helleofabore · 29/08/2023 19:01

Get to know some trans people or speak to a psychologist who specialises in trans issues.

This is hilarious when you look at it.

Not only that you assume that people don't 'know' trans people in real life, but what do you expect that posters will learn that cannot be learned from watching, interacting with and listening to the many male transitioners on the internet that we interact with every single day? You know the ones who have published quotes telling women to die in grease fires, or that little girls are kinky or that it is women's eggshell skulls that are the issue in women's domestic murders rather than male violence, or the ones who mock women's toilet sounds on twitter between them?

I am very happy to provide you all the evidence of these things and more. I shall go and find some of the quotes right now.

Plus you can start here:

https://terfisaslur.com

Brilliant advice! I am sure that readers will be most interested in getting to know the real life male transitioners! Great idea!

TERF is a slur

Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

https://terfisaslur.com/

SabrinaThwaite · 29/08/2023 19:01

viques · 29/08/2023 18:59

Are you talking breast feeding, formula feeding , transgender suicide or female brain psychology?

Male puberty advantage in sports maybe?

There’s a good number of peer reviewed papers covering that.

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PatientZorro · 29/08/2023 19:02

I’d like to know how one knows one is a woman psychologically. Genuine question - could somebody please explain?

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 19:03

viques · 29/08/2023 18:59

Are you talking breast feeding, formula feeding , transgender suicide or female brain psychology?

All of it my dear, all the things. And yes cheese too why not? Educate yourself 🤓

Baldieheid · 29/08/2023 19:03

Mary Earps seems to have captured some true admiration from what I'm seeing. Spirited, strong, powerful and not afraid to holler "fuck off".

What a woman.

Probably too much of a woman for Vogue actually.....

Helleofabore · 29/08/2023 19:05

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 18:56

A quick google search will take you to oodles of peer reviewed studies into the matter. Welcome to the internet 😇

For what?

The suicide prevalence? No, you are now lying. There isn't any.

In fact, there is a growing number of clinicians who both point out that these suicides are simply not happening the way extreme trans activists have described. They also point out that it is suicides are still happening after surgeries and after hormone treatments because often their mental health issues have not been identified and treated appropriately.

But no, there are no 'peer reviewed' studies or stats that prove your 'suicide' statement.

Either provide your evidence or admit you have either lied or made a false claim.

MavisMcMinty · 29/08/2023 19:11

Helleofabore · 29/08/2023 19:01

Get to know some trans people or speak to a psychologist who specialises in trans issues.

This is hilarious when you look at it.

Not only that you assume that people don't 'know' trans people in real life, but what do you expect that posters will learn that cannot be learned from watching, interacting with and listening to the many male transitioners on the internet that we interact with every single day? You know the ones who have published quotes telling women to die in grease fires, or that little girls are kinky or that it is women's eggshell skulls that are the issue in women's domestic murders rather than male violence, or the ones who mock women's toilet sounds on twitter between them?

I am very happy to provide you all the evidence of these things and more. I shall go and find some of the quotes right now.

Plus you can start here:

https://terfisaslur.com

Brilliant advice! I am sure that readers will be most interested in getting to know the real life male transitioners! Great idea!

Gosh! If @shuddupayaface thinks those few remarks taken from this thread were transphobic, racist and whatever the third thing was, what on earth does @shuddupayaface think about the violent misogynist posts and tweets in this link?

#BeKind eh?

shuddupayaface · 29/08/2023 19:24

I really hope you all find some joy in your lives, surround yourself with good loving people, overcome your trauma (with therapy and medication if necessary, it’s not the devil! honestly) find some positive vibes and join us all over here in the modern world. It’s a scary place sometimes I know, but educate yourselves and ye too shall overcome the fear. Peace out my loves ❤️

CrazyArmadilloLady · 29/08/2023 19:26

@shuddupayaface- would you want to be incarcerated with Isla Bryson or one of the other men convicted of sexual assault crimes and/or rape against women?

Even though I’m unlikely to go to prison any time soon, I will admit that I wouldn’t. And so I understand why other women already in prison wouldn’t want to, either.

There are some single-sex spaces I don’t want to share with any male-bodied people, however they identify. It doesn’t matter to me if they ID as a man, or as a woman, I still don’t want to share space with them.

It’s nothing personal. I just don’t want male-bodied people in single sex spaces with me.

This isn’t just about trans people. As someone who’s lived in the world, I’m aware that there are plenty of men who’d take advantage of being able to ID their way into single sex spaces for nefarious intent. I have a 13YO DD who plays sports and uses changing rooms. Should I just not worry about her safety?

Due to so many transwomen insisting on access to lesbian spaces, I’m also aware that many transwomen are full intact male-bodied people, and sexually attracted to women.

This makes me deeply uncomfortable, and is why I would like to maintain single sex spaces.

I am not saying all transwomen mean me harm, just as I am not saying all men mean me harm. I know they don’t.

But the ones who do, don’t come with handy signs.

Which is why we’ve always simply excluded male-bodied people from our single sex spaces.

It’s to ensure women’s safety, privacy and dignity.

And it’s not ‘progressive’ to do away with our rights to safety, privacy and dignity. It’s not ‘progressive’ to threaten us with violence when we express concerns about the erosion of our rights.

I would ask you to show some compassion and kindness for these valid concerns.

Trans woman Isla Bryson jailed for eight years for raping two women | Scotland | The Guardian

Bryson, 31, committed offences in Clydebank and Glasgow in 2016 and 2019 before transitioning

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/28/trans-woman-isla-bryson-jailed-raping-two-women

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