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Is Australia worse than UK for 'woke' agenda

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Lizzypet · 20/08/2023 19:17

Anyone here living in Aus? We lived there for 9yrs until 2016 and all of us except youngest child have citizenship. Considering possibly moving back at some point, and think I remember reading that the 'woke' situation is as bad as, or worse than here? I'm aware I'm being very generic in my description, and that a lot of people don't like the term Woke, but concerned about DC (ages 6 & 8) and what they might be exposed to in school, university etc. Grateful for any input. Thanks

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dewclaw · 20/08/2023 19:24

What an odd question!
Where did you hear this? Daily Fail? I guess it depends on your definition of "woke agenda."
Maybe Russia may suit you better, or China, Iran?....

HagoftheNorth · 20/08/2023 19:33

How helpful dewclaw 🙄

Lizzy, I’m not in Australia, so I can’t help - but of course I’ve seen a lot of press coverage, politicians’ speeches & the reaction to KJK, so I can understand that you might be concerned about the erosion of women’s rights there. Hope that someone with more direct experience will be along soon

donquixotedelamancha · 20/08/2023 19:36

dewclaw · 20/08/2023 19:24

What an odd question!
Where did you hear this? Daily Fail? I guess it depends on your definition of "woke agenda."
Maybe Russia may suit you better, or China, Iran?....

Yes, because the opposite of woke is China.

sadaboutmycat · 20/08/2023 19:39

Look up the definition of woke.
If it is the opposite of your beliefs, you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

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Lizzypet · 20/08/2023 19:46

Not sure how anyone would know what my 'beliefs' are from this post, and it was on Mumsnet that I've read of people in Aus having a difficult time with women's rights etc.

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No2SelfID · 20/08/2023 19:53

Australia is VERY far down the gender rabbit hole and it seems to me that most people there have actually lost their minds, sadly even people I have loved and admired my whole life.

Most states have self ID, in Victoria all public toilets must be gender neutral so no safe womens spaces. In Tasmania it is illegal for women to meet up without allowing men to be join them if they want to.

There is no way I would return to Australia and put my DC in school there.

See also The Voice and Acknowledgement of Country. Total capture of idealism and virtue signalling at its finest.

pilesofpaper · 20/08/2023 19:55

Sorry that meant to say a total Capture of Ideology not idealism.

Ingenieur · 20/08/2023 20:01

sadaboutmycat · 20/08/2023 19:39

Look up the definition of woke.
If it is the opposite of your beliefs, you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

I believe in mutual respect with a goal of equality of opportunity.

Equity, critical theory, intersectional identity politics, all can get in the bin.

Snowypeaks · 20/08/2023 20:20

The short answer, sadly, is yes. Look up Tickle vs Giggle as an example of how mad it is.

Twitter/blogs - Sall Grover, Kath Deves, Edie Wyatt, Holly Lawford-Smith
Katherine Deves.

DiabolicalFinial · 20/08/2023 21:04

Australia is a shit show regarding Gender Ideology.

The Victorian Premier accused anyone of not supporting Drag Queen story time of being racist (!), transphobic, homophobic bigots who are not welcome in the state. And he then hosted a DQST at the Victorian parliament building.

There is self id (even in schools), birth certificates can be changed (in Qld, once every 12 months), males are in female prisons, children can be taken into care if parents refuse to affirm/allow medical transition, girls as young as 13 are getting mastectomies, and KJK is still being referred to as an anti-trans bigot aligned with all things evil.

PorcelinaV · 20/08/2023 22:23

sadaboutmycat · 20/08/2023 19:39

Look up the definition of woke.
If it is the opposite of your beliefs, you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

As I just said in a different thread...

"As far as I know, it was originally about being "awake to social or racial injustice" and was a term used by some in the black community.

Then it briefly got taken over by white liberals who would use the term also.

Then conservatives turned it around and mocked the fuck out of them.

So as conservatives use the term it's mocking people that think they are "awake to injustice" but are really just self deluded, or virtue signalling, or believe in some very questionable far left ideas."

So should you follow conservatives to use the word in that sort of way? That depends on what you think of modern progressive politics I guess.

GADDay · 20/08/2023 22:26

No2SelfID · 20/08/2023 19:53

Australia is VERY far down the gender rabbit hole and it seems to me that most people there have actually lost their minds, sadly even people I have loved and admired my whole life.

Most states have self ID, in Victoria all public toilets must be gender neutral so no safe womens spaces. In Tasmania it is illegal for women to meet up without allowing men to be join them if they want to.

There is no way I would return to Australia and put my DC in school there.

See also The Voice and Acknowledgement of Country. Total capture of idealism and virtue signalling at its finest.

Don't conflate two separate issues. Especially one that is so far beyond your ken as the voice.

You have no idea. Colonialist, oppressive bullshit at it's finest 😢.

Hippyhippybake · 20/08/2023 22:30

@No2SelfID Absolutely agree with you on the madness of gender ideology in Australia.

GrumpyPanda · 20/08/2023 22:30

dewclaw · 20/08/2023 19:24

What an odd question!
Where did you hear this? Daily Fail? I guess it depends on your definition of "woke agenda."
Maybe Russia may suit you better, or China, Iran?....

It's actually rather similar to Russia in that lesbians are officially prohibited from holding public meetings as an organized group. HTH.

ChokkaQuokka · 20/08/2023 22:35

sharing this thread for factual content.

OP, it really matters where you are. Self-ID is not the law in NSW and it is yet to pass in Qld. Victoria is much more genderist: the same government that imposed the longest lockdowns outside China snuck self-ID in during the height of Covid.

Anti-discrimination legislation allows for single sex sports and associations federally and in all states bar Tasmania. The event referenced by a PP where a lesbian meeting was told it couldn’t meet without TW was not a general ruling but their failure to obtain an exemption. In any other state, this wouldn’t have been needed because sex is a protected characteristic everywhere else and federally and single sex associations are allowed, but in Tas it was replaced with gender in the Act.

We are a lesbian couple with primary school age children. We don’t live in the wokest part of Sydney but even so, the kids are not getting Genderism in school at all.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4873436-australian-legislation-discussion-to-avoid-derailing-other-threads?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Australian legislation discussion, to avoid derailing other threads | Mumsnet

Since this has come up in a few threads, to avoid derailing them here is a new Oz-specific thread. The key document to note is the federal Sex Discr...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4873436-australian-legislation-discussion-to-avoid-derailing-other-threads?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

ChokkaQuokka · 20/08/2023 22:40

GrumpyPanda · 20/08/2023 22:30

It's actually rather similar to Russia in that lesbians are officially prohibited from holding public meetings as an organized group. HTH.

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This overstates the situation. As explained in my previous post, this was only in Tasmania, the smallest state, and it refers to the failure of a group to gain an exemption. If they had just held the meeting and let the genderists sue, they could’ve had a ruling that federal law (which allows single sex groups) overruled Tasmanian law, which has removed sex as a characteristic in the anti discrimination law. Personally I think that was a strategic error.

currently wrangling kids to get ready for school but can dig out news reports later if there is interest.

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Lizzypet · 20/08/2023 22:40

Thank you for the replies from those who understood what I was asking. I asked Mumsnet to delete the thread early on, as I wrote it in a rush & didn't word it very well - but they wouldn't delete it 🤷

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DysonSpheres · 21/08/2023 00:48

'In Tasmania it is illegal for women to meet up without allowing men to be join them if they want to'

Wow...just speechless at this. Is it THAT bad? Reading all the things listed it sounds like some dystopian sci-fi novel.

DiabolicalFinial · 21/08/2023 00:51

Lesbians should not ‘have to gain an exemption’ to hold an event/gathering without males!

Have you read the Qld Education policy on LGBT+++ ?
Keeping in mind that the Qld Education Minister is approaching all this as the mother of a trans-identified adult child…

Any child who identifies as the opposite gender (from primary school up), is automatically permitted to choose the toilet/changeroom/sport team/accommodation option they identify with.

The schools are encouraged to assist transition at school, without informing the parents, as the parents may need to be encouraged to accept the new identity (and the more entrenched the child, the more difficult for the parents to stop/moderate/etc it).

Parents and teachers who do not immediately affirm, support and encourage GI are ‘reminded’ that their behaviour and/or opposition can and should be reported to the anti-discrimination commission.

Similarly, if the parents of other students in the class are informed of (eg) a trans-identified male using female toilets/changerooms/etc, then whoever breached ‘confidentiality’ would be referred to the anti-discrimination commission.

Autism groups ask for gender identity and preferred pronouns on paperwork for very young children.

It is a total mess, and as the parent of a (gender non-conforming) child with ASD, I am having to seriously consider homeschooling due to the damage Queer Theory and gender ideology - sanctioned, encouraged and enforced by the Queensland Government - could wreak on my child.

https://www.qhrc.qld.gov.au/your-rights/for-lgbtiq-people/trans-@-school

https://www.qhrc.qld.gov.au/your-responsibilities/for-schools-and-universities/trans-@-school

Trans @ School

https://www.qhrc.qld.gov.au/your-rights/for-lgbtiq-people/trans-@-school

Granville82 · 21/08/2023 01:05

Yes, it seems to be quite a lot worse in AUS than UK. Look up Senator Claire Chandler's work. See Brandubh, a teenage student who has written powerful and brilliant pieces championing women's rights to sex-segregated spaces (and that being a woman is a feeling); she is bullied by her own high school teacher. He is a vociferous social media (and in person) troll and the school is doing nothing. Posie Parker reckoned the New Zealand (I know not Aus) media was the most regressive she had yet come across on women's rights and the radical trans agenda.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 21/08/2023 01:44

Yes.

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