Is Australia worse than UK for 'woke' agenda

[Lizzypet]

Anyone here living in Aus? We lived there for 9yrs until 2016 and all of us except youngest child have citizenship. Considering possibly moving back at some point, and think I remember reading that the 'woke' situation is as bad as, or worse than here? I'm aware I'm being very generic in my description, and that a lot of people don't like the term Woke, but concerned about DC (ages 6 & 8) and what they might be exposed to in school, university etc. Grateful for any input. Thanks

If you knew as much about the debate re The Voice and what the Traditional Owners of Australia want as you’d like people to think, you’d know never to refer to them as ‘indigenous’ (especially with a small ‘I’) as they let us know, loud and clear, repeatedly. It’s Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples or First Nations Peoples. Indigenous is used in reference to plants and animals. Also the latest poll numbers - approximately 83% of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples want The Voice to Parliament. And this number is expected to grow It is grass roots movement initiated by them and every First Nations’ community in Australia has been consulted by them. The idea that pro Voice citizens are trying to shout down the opposition to The Voice is s misinformed idea.

But voicing your ill informed opinions re The Voice is like me coming on here in thr pre Brexit days and arguing with the British people and telling them what is happening in Britain. I would not have done it. I have no opinion of British politics other than what effects Australia eg AUKUS

As a descendent of British convicts and settlers and political Irish people and displaced Greeks refugees, I’m very aware of the role my ancestors played in taking a country that did not belong to them and dispossessing the rightful owners of this land. I’ve never once accused the British population in regard to the ills of this country. But I do think past British Governments, and the British Monarchy, and members of the aristocracy, as well as the Church of England (and it’s god forsaken missions) did great damage in the past. And reaped enormous wealth/rewards as a result of the damage they caused:

Thrre isn’t much I can find that is ‘amusing’ about British colonisation of Australia.

This is a board for discussion of sex vs gender identity. Arguing about Pauline Hanson and the Voice feels like a bit of a derail.

so here’s a call to action: if you are in Australia, please use the link I posted to make a submission in favour of LRA’s ability to hold lesbian-only meetings and events.

by all means submit that an exemption is not needed because LRA is a voluntary organisation, and an event is a service, so the existing blanket exemptions apply.

if you would like drafting help, feel free to PM me. IANAL but can draft.

I have family there, it's pretty bad.

Thank you for illustrating my points so beautifully.

What? NZ was the first country to give women the vote. In 1893. Years before the UK.

Kate Sheppard did it years before Emmeline Pankhurst.

And feminist icons? Germaine Greer?

Where are people getting their info from….?

Yep. South Australia was 1895. Federal election voting was 1902 and the rest of the states allowed state level voting and candidacy by 1908.

Considering how vocal Germaine is, I am surprised people forget her. And Sheila Jeffries was prominent in my mind in the 90s and 00s in Australia being there at Uni of Melbourne.

Two very strong and powerful voices.

Germaine Greer’s academic career was mostly in Europe.

@sadaboutmycat your response pretty much sums up everything awful about wokensss - ‘if you don’t agree with me then you are wrong and need to look at yourself.’ People form views and opinions based on their life experiences. Those may or may not be the same as yours.

And yet I very much remember her being active in Australia throughout time.

She was still featured on media even when she was focused over here.

I realise how confusing that is.

what I mean is that Germaine was still active in Australia even though she might have been focused on UK. I remember her on different media in Australia and I was surprised when I first saw her on Uk media when I moved to UK and i have been going back and forth between UK and Australia and she is still around. Not as active as in the past obviously.

Are there two Australias? I have never been to Australia so my view has been formed by the half dozen male Australians that I have worked with in the UK over the last 5 years. All of them regard 'cunt' and 'mate' as interchangeable and get really defensive if you complain and they all refuse to accept that addressing someone with red hair as 'Ranga' could be offensive.

That really doesn’t negate the point.

Women had suffrage in New Zealand and Australia a long time before the UK. We have deeply held feminist beliefs that go a long way back.

New Zealand - probably more so than Australia - is socially progressive, which means we’ve fallen down the gender rabbit hole hook, line and sinker.

And I can tell you a few not pretty things about my experience working with British men….

Sorry, I have lived and worked in both the UK and Australia and in my experience Australia is far more sexist. Just look at the treatment of Julia Gillard, nothing like that happened to any of Britain’s three female prime ministers.

And I don’t believe the way self ID was introduced would happen in England either.

You might have misunderstood me. I'm not saying that Australian men are universally unpleasant. I am trying to match a picture of unquestioning TWAW with my admittedly small experience. Is it that both are true?

Nonetheless.

It was because counties like NZ and Australia led the way and did something profoundly radical, i.e. giving women the vote, that countries like the UK followed.

My issue was with the person who said we ‘don’t have the same strength of connection to feminism’ as the UK. Hardly.

@JanesLittleGirl I agree with you on this, I find the combination of Aussie blokeishness and the embrace of TWAW very confusing!!

@Hippyhippybake

The closest I can fathom is that the blokishness and TWAW are linked thus:

"Any bloke who would willingly degrade himself by calling himself a woman can't be a real man, and is therefore a woman"

It comes from a place of über-masculinity

That’s interesting, I hadn’t thought of that!

Plus (and this is completely unevidenced) it doesn't impact me so why would I give a fuck? They may change their minds when Barry says they are now Sheila.

And let’s face it, transwomen are inevitably straight male people, so the only people they’re bothering for sex are lesbians.

So - not men’s problem. Easy for them to say TWAW - it impacts on them in no way.

Sorry, when their son, Barry

Germaine has lived a lot of her life in the two countries. She owned a house and on some land in Australia for years and spent a lot of time there. I think it became her home in later years. She’s spoke of leaving the stultifying oppression of the Australian suburbs for England back in the late 60s and I can understand this. I saw her interviewed only recently and she’s now living in a retirement home in Australian suburbia snd I think that makes her quite sad (even though suburbia has changed a lot in most places and is no longer so conforming - thank god for multiculturalism). She refers to being a resident of the retirement home as being an ‘inmate.’ It was hard to see this wild spirit feeling so restricted.

Pauline Hanson is a horrible racist. Moria Deeming is anti-choice. She believes women with unwanted or medically unviable pregnancies should pray. I agree with the above poster who said you can be gender critical without being anti-woman. Holly Lawford Smith is a good example of a gender critical feminist here, she’s from NZ but she lives and works here.

‘Pauline Hanson’ and ‘good woman’ in the same sentence just shows how little people opining on the topic even know….