Sex & gender in 2023

[ArabeIIaScott]

This thread is an attempt at a broad overview of where we are now, especially for those new to to the issues involved.

Main issues:

• Impacts of sex and gender in legislation on women's rights
• Safeguarding
• Children, young people, and 'gender incongruence'
• Freedom of speech, thought, and belief

Input and questions welcome! Please keep it factual and concise.

Terrific thread.

Transgender Trend have already been mentioned. This is an eye opening article from their site about picture books on trans themes aimed at under 5s, being pushed by Stonewall and others for use in schools and nurseries. Trans picture books for little children - Transgender Trend

I'd also like to put in a word for 4thWaveNow, a US website set up by concerned mothers a long time ago. I read a lot of their posts a few years ago when I was first interested in all of this. Well worth a look. https://4thwavenow.com/

And finally, for now, an article many of us have linked to many times. Still very worth a read. https://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

The most enraging bit is in the second half, about local women in Deptford being harangued by students from Goldsmiths and really important activism to help women escape violence, solve housing problems and so on was impeded.

Sorry, one last one! This is a current thread with valuable information about the risks of puberty blockers for both boys and girls, whether used for precocious puberty or for gender dysphoria. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4875236-if-a-poor-boy-has-his-puberty-blocked

Isla Mac who goes through the NHS angle and looks at things like the current service soec for the GIDS replacement

Deb Filman who is in the US but goes through how EDI is being implemented in education across the States and Canada with absolutely fantastic insights by teachers some of whom have to stay anonymous for obvious reasons.

https://youtube.com/@TheReasonWeLearn

The Famous Artist Birdy Rose
who was cancelled from her social group for saying basic stuff. She does videos on current topics and has some excellent guests and looks at it from her personal lens and is a proud raging shitgoblin. Takes insults and makes them hers in her own unique style.

https://youtube.com/@thefamousartistbirdyrose

Thanks to @terryleather and @ArabeIIaScott and @AlisonDonut for their responses.

The neutral approach to pronouns is especially helpful in the context of work as it can only been understood as coming from a supportive (not misinterpreted as an antagonistic) stance.

Has anyone mentioned the late, great Magdalen Berns? Trenchant critic of gender ideology, mostly on YouTube. Co-founder of For Women Scotland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalen_Berns

This is her YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvTTakI97sQ4SkMnsH8r0qQ

Magdalen died from a brain tumour in 2019 at the tragically early age of 36. Her videos were very well put together and incredibly refreshing, because she doesn't have much truck with euphemisms. This quote could be FWR's motto: I'd rather be rude than a fucking liar.

My favourite quote of hers is "Fuck off you wanker"

I can't tell you how many times I've had to bite my tongue recently when seeing the mansplaining going on round here

Prisons (rUK) - MOJ judicial review

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prison-policy-judicial-review-ruling-confirms-trans-rights-do-conflict-with-womens-rights/

'Trans women in female jails policy lawful, High Court rules' -
www.bbc.com/news/uk-57692993

New guidance

sex-matters.org/posts/prisons/new-moj-transgender-prisoner-policy/

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-transgender-prisoner-policy-comes-into-force

I didn't know about her until after she'd gone but God, I would have loved to have met her. She was cool as fuck.

All of (wonderful) Magdalen's videos are very good: this about the man 'widening the bandwidth' of being a woman, is my personal favourite:

^That's a corker.

It'd be good to share some resources from 'the other side', criticising gender critical views, or supporting genderist ideas.

Sally Hines

https://www.socresonline.org.uk/12/1/hines.html

Judith Butler:

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/07/judith-butler-interview-gender

Julia Serrano:

https://juliaserano.blogspot.com/

Shon Faye:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/aug/24/shaky-acceptance-transgender-kids-families-fight-for-inclusion

Laura Izaguirre (not a big name, but an illuminating piece)

https://queeratxlaura.wordpress.com/2020/05/27/resisting-terfs-and-transforming-their-organizations/

Can I ask what happened to the thread from yesterday about the CEO of Stonewall? I was intrigued by the potential consequences of all not being well on planet trans. I came back to it today to catch up and alas it's gone?
I thought myself well versed on all this crap but I've been doing some catching up with MN. I am a longstanding MN user but hadn't joined the tribe as I just hadn't seen it come up on active threads that much. Of course I've heard on Twitter that MN is regarded as kingdom Karen but I hadn't actually found where you were all lurking. I'm in now so hello to you all.

The OP asked for it to be taken down, I believe.

And, hello! 😊

I think was a great resource - conversations with concerned parties working in the public doman, hosted by Baronness Emma Nicholson. https://childrenandwomenfirst.org/

Talking about Stonewall, here's the following links -

Allison Bailey and Stonewall -

unherd.com/2022/07/how-allison-bailey-crushed-stonewall/

University of Essex and 'Stonewall law' -

www.personneltoday.com/hr/stonewalls-diversity-scheme-accused-of-being-unlawful/

Stonewall's (and other organisations) attempts to remove single sex exemptions -

womansplaceuk.org/2018/06/25/references-to-removal-of-single-sex-exemptions/

Nancy Kelley and 'sexual racists' -

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10225111/Stonewall-brands-lesbians-sexual-racists-raising-concerns-sex-transgender-women.html

BBC article on the 'cotton ceiling'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57853385

kingdom Karen

New one to me; thought it was Prosecco stormfront or nest of vipers 😆

If they could tag another K on to kingdom Karen they will just shorten it to KKK. It's a shame about the Stonewall thread. It looked promising but the poster did seem to be revealing a confidence so perhaps she had second thoughts.

Placemarking.

Ashton/Aimee Challenor
Summary from Glinner update but lots of FAR threads on him:
https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared

NSPCC in general and Rubberman fetishist:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4467656-nspcc-where-do-they-stand

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3611447-Potential-Systemic-Safeguarding-failures-in-NSPCC-Childline-illustrated-by-appointment-ending-of-relationship-with-Munroe-Bergdorf-Thread-2

https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-barrister-forces-charity-commission-probe-nspcc-over-workplace-porn-shoot

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3714849-Sacked-by-the-NSPCC-on-12th-August

And a shout out to much missed R0wantrees who was awesome at archiving/linking threads (unless she’s here under another name).

Haven't RTFT but I'm almost finished Lost in Transnation by Jordan Peterson and Miriam Groceman. Its very good.