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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 01:54

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/07/snp-mp-mhairi-black-accused-of-hypocrisy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mhairi Black said that “bad actors” and “50-year-old Karens” were responsible for the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/scotland-young-children-trans-puberty-blockers-health/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">debate over transgender rights and suggested those who vocally <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/13/joanna-cherry-scottish-mp-comedy-club-apology-gender-trans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">disagreed with her views on such issues could not be “decent” people.

“There are definitely <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/gender-critical-books-hidden-librarians-calderdale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bad actors at play who are radicalising people who are vulnerable. They are radicalising people who are too online.

“And they’re also using this small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos and make people divide amongst themselves.

“When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.”

And lots more at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist/ which can be read on https://archive.ph

Interesting that other news reports dont include her making these remarks:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/definite-bad-actors-debate-trans-143603944.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mhairi-black-westminster-snp-holyrood-christian-b2389561.html

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

The Scottish nationalists’ deputy Westminster leader accuses ‘bad actors’ of hijacking debate over transgender rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist

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334bu · 09/08/2023 09:31

Questioned about concerns around trans people accessing single sex spaces such as toilets, she told the audience she has had “more grief” in women’s toilets in the past five years than the rest of her life because of people thinking she is not feminine enough.

Having met and spoken with Ms Black, I find this absolute nonsense. There is no way she has ever been taken for a man in a woman's space.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2023 09:37

I don't think she has many moral qualms about being economical with the truth.

MishyJDI · 09/08/2023 09:57

She has been so much a breath of fresh air amongst the staleness of the Uk Parliament. I do hope she returns in some way soon. Standing up and calling out bigotry is not easy. I think she gets it a hell of a lot more than some peeps living in fear of such a small number of people.

Froodwithatowel · 09/08/2023 10:01

😂

Waitwhat23 · 09/08/2023 10:02

MishyJDI · 09/08/2023 09:57

She has been so much a breath of fresh air amongst the staleness of the Uk Parliament. I do hope she returns in some way soon. Standing up and calling out bigotry is not easy. I think she gets it a hell of a lot more than some peeps living in fear of such a small number of people.

Oh aye, calling your constituents 'Jeremy Hunts' is such a breath of fresh air. 'Calling out the bigotry' of women being incarcerated with male convicted sex offenders - you cannae be serious!

SueVineer · 09/08/2023 10:02

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2023 03:02

Goodness me, but she's as daft as a brush. She's simply repeating TRA mantras, without any investigation into the truth of them.

Yip - she’s utterly daft

SueVineer · 09/08/2023 10:03

Waitwhat23 · 09/08/2023 10:02

Oh aye, calling your constituents 'Jeremy Hunts' is such a breath of fresh air. 'Calling out the bigotry' of women being incarcerated with male convicted sex offenders - you cannae be serious!

It’s just the new misogyny- which is remarkably similar to the old misogyny.

Helleofabore · 09/08/2023 10:06

Froodwithatowel · 09/08/2023 10:01

😂

It is a humiliation thing, isn’t it.

Datun · 09/08/2023 10:09

Questioned about concerns around trans people accessing single sex spaces such as toilets, she told the audience she has had “more grief” in women’s toilets in the past five years than the rest of her life because of people thinking she is not feminine enough.

God it's making my eyes bleed.

If this is true. she wants toilets to be segregated on the basis of masculinity and femininity, and then gets pissed off when she encounters agreement.

There's no way it's true, though. She looks nothing like a man. And it's the last dying complaint of the TRA brigade, that nonconforming women are being thrown out of their own toilets.

(so we must let men in. 🙄)

Theeyeballsinthesky · 09/08/2023 10:10

Ah mishy good to see you continue your Stirling work in defending under fuckwits

the only reason MB might possibly face hostility in ladies toilets is if she’s recognised as the utter quisling that she is. The idea that she could ever be mistaken for a man is laughable

Catiette · 09/08/2023 10:10

I find the comment about being challenged in women’s toilets because she’s not feminine enough distressingly ironic. If this really is happening, then I wish she’d ask herself what’s changed in the last 5 years to drive it.

The answer’s simple: the campaign she supports to redefine woman as an alignment with so-called “feminine” feelings & “feminine” presentation in place of biological sex; her contribution to the dissolution of the social contract that permitted women to assume everyone in their spaces was female, thereby forcing on many a deep insecurity about “feminine” males in their spaces, & a reluctant but necessary alertness to this.

To impose the substitution of sex with gender as the passport to women’s spaces without women’s consent, and then to condemn fearful females for reluctantly applying these very standards - so-called femininity - to safeguard themselves & uphold their rights…? Well, it’s just infuriating.

She’s effectively describing the damage she herself has wrought on gender non-conforming women - & also on those transwomen her ilk are so keen to tell us have been using our roaches for years - by forcing to them to raise their guard.

If it happens. Which I do find hard to imagine.

And if it does, it may of course also be the product of genuine bigotry against eg. butch lesbians, which is itself indefensible.

But think, Mhairi, please just think about what you’re saying!

Catiette · 09/08/2023 10:12

“Our roaches” is a series substitution for “our spaces”, phone…! 🤔

caramacyears · 09/08/2023 10:13

Why are you posting this?

Catiette · 09/08/2023 10:13

Weird, dammit. I’m done! 😂

Igneococcus · 09/08/2023 10:24

Why are you posting this?

Why shouldn't we talk about it?

Helleofabore · 09/08/2023 10:35

Igneococcus · 09/08/2023 10:24

Why are you posting this?

Why shouldn't we talk about it?

Because apparently a third of people in the UK aren’t interested. Therefore we shouldn’t be interested or discussing it.

Igneococcus · 09/08/2023 10:41

Over in Scotsnet caramacyears thinks that the police inquiry into Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP is ancient history that doesn't warrant talking about. A wee bit too keen on telling us what we can and can't talk about for my liking.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 09/08/2023 11:06

caramacyears · 09/08/2023 10:13

Why are you posting this?

Who knew a social media site, actually discussing stuff in the media

Is this your first day on the internet?

Fenlandia · 09/08/2023 11:18

The whole having a pop at 50 year olds is so weird, among all the other egregious nonsense. When I was very little I couldn't imagine being 30 years old as that was such a Big Number, but Mhairi is 28. Does she not imagine she will be 50 one day and might not think the same way about everything as she does now?

HagoftheNorth · 09/08/2023 11:52

As ever with TRA politicians, happy to name-call, but no intention of engaging with the actual issues 🙄

WickedSerious · 09/08/2023 12:14

Fenlandia · 09/08/2023 11:18

The whole having a pop at 50 year olds is so weird, among all the other egregious nonsense. When I was very little I couldn't imagine being 30 years old as that was such a Big Number, but Mhairi is 28. Does she not imagine she will be 50 one day and might not think the same way about everything as she does now?

Maybe she figures that seeing as she hasn't outgrown stupid at her age she probably never will.

Waitwhat23 · 09/08/2023 12:14

Igneococcus · 09/08/2023 10:41

Over in Scotsnet caramacyears thinks that the police inquiry into Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP is ancient history that doesn't warrant talking about. A wee bit too keen on telling us what we can and can't talk about for my liking.

Everyone I know is incredulous that the Police investigations are taking so long and are wondering if Nicola et al are just going to get away with it so it's definitely not ancient history. And more and more keeps coming out - the latest seems to be thousands spent on luxuries on the SNP credit cards. A bit of wishful thinking if people think it's not being talked about, here or in rl.

SinnerBoy · 09/08/2023 12:21

The irony of Black whingeing about a toxic political culture is almost too much. She's done the equivalent of carpet bombing with Agent Orange and is now moaning that it's had an adverse effect on her.

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