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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

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IwantToRetire · 09/08/2023 01:54

<a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/07/snp-mp-mhairi-black-accused-of-hypocrisy/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Mhairi Black said that “bad actors” and “50-year-old Karens” were responsible for the <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/10/scotland-young-children-trans-puberty-blockers-health/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">debate over transgender rights and suggested those who vocally <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/05/13/joanna-cherry-scottish-mp-comedy-club-apology-gender-trans/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">disagreed with her views on such issues could not be “decent” people.

“There are definitely <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/lpwH9/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/gender-critical-books-hidden-librarians-calderdale/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">bad actors at play who are radicalising people who are vulnerable. They are radicalising people who are too online.

“And they’re also using this small community as a wedge issue to cause chaos and make people divide amongst themselves.

“When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.”

And lots more at https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist/ which can be read on https://archive.ph

Interesting that other news reports dont include her making these remarks:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/definite-bad-actors-debate-trans-143603944.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/mhairi-black-westminster-snp-holyrood-christian-b2389561.html

Gender critics akin to white supremacists, claims SNP’s Mhairi Black

The Scottish nationalists’ deputy Westminster leader accuses ‘bad actors’ of hijacking debate over transgender rights

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/08/08/mhairi-black-snp-fringe-gender-critical-white-supremacist

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Dragonwindow · 09/08/2023 07:41

Here's one interview the mum gave. It talks about hard spankings, and about the fear this kid might be gay, and the (self-congratulatory) relief once they realise he was actually a girl. (Ps this obviously does not mean I believe that ALL parents who support their trans-identifying kids have this motivation, or that all Christians hold these beliefs etc etc. I have better critical thinking skills than Mhairi Black)

"Family members were flat-out asking me if this kid was gay. It made me nervous, and I was constantly worried about what people would think of me, of us and of my parenting. While family was questioning whether Kai was gay, a Christian friend of mine, who is also a child psychologist, asked me: "Have you noticed Kai's feminine behavior?" It was such a gentle question, as opposed to the harsh accusations of others".

www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/parenting/a43702/transgender-child-kimberly-shappley/

AutumnCrow · 09/08/2023 07:45

TheGreatATuin · 09/08/2023 07:31

When you start tracing it back, the money always links back to fundamental Christian groups in America, Baptist groups, anti-abortion organisations.
This is pure conspiracy theory. If Mhairi is that gullible, she's not fit to be an MP.

I know.

Wtf has this US stuff got to with Scotland and the UK anyway? Does she seriously think my auntie in Cathcart is in thrall to Ron de Santis? Loon.

ResisterRex · 09/08/2023 07:52

AutumnCrow, the wafer chocolate bar was mentioned on a previous MN thread. A Twitter search brings such gems as this:

twitter.com/gorbalsgoebbels/status/1645097670476800007?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

topnoddy · 09/08/2023 07:53

LoobiJee · 09/08/2023 06:42

“Ms Black was asked whether she believed that someone with a different philosophical view to her on gender issues could still be “a thoroughly decent person”. She responded: “If you keep it to yourself, aye,” to applause from the audience.”

So, in other words, it’s something that should not be said.

You can have any opinion you like as long as it's the same as mine then !

highame · 09/08/2023 07:57

I read somewhere that M Black is a little workshy, so I would guess she has never read the debate. Don't know about a job with the SNP but she might try stand up

Helleofabore · 09/08/2023 07:58

Aren’t we all still waiting for the money to be dropped off in bags at our doors? And aren’t the lesbians still waiting for brides?

The funding conspiracies relating to the UK are not even believable at this point. And if an MP believes them, they really should never have been elected.

However, again here is the harm and the dishonesty of the extremist trans activist adopted narrative. The fuckwittery of using ‘gender critical’ as an umbrella for including many groups and individuals who are not ‘critical of gender’ at all.

Here is the harm of detaching the original ‘feminist’ that was integral to the term. When gender critical feminist was shortened to gender critical, the term gender critical became meaningless because of all the people activists stuffed in with the feminists.

I wish that media stopped with the laziness too. They have also contributed to the confusion.

OldCrone · 09/08/2023 08:02

I honestly don’t understand how voters make the decision to vote in a 20 year old as Black was initially.

I think it had more to do with her being SNP than a personal endorsement. The SNP went from 6 MPs in 2010 to 56 in the 2015 election out of a total of 59 Scottish seats in the HoC.

NotBadConsidering · 09/08/2023 08:04

She’s a horrible person. Katie Dolatowski sexually assaulted two girls in women’s toilets barely a stone’s throw from her constituency. She should go and meet those girls and look them in the eye and tell them they’re horrible bigots for wanting it to never happen again 😡

Tootsweets23 · 09/08/2023 08:05

"This is pure conspiracy theory. If Mhairi is that gullible, she's not fit to be an MP."

So true, but this type of thinking isn't limited to just her. Belief in conspiracies is a central element for many (but not all) Scottish Nationalists - a whole host of quite bonkers conspiracies developed in the referendum, and Black was one of the activists who swallowed them hole.

From sort of believable but untrue all the way through to quite bonkers - hidden oilfields, non-existent whisky taxes etc etc. These conspiracies take hold because they help square the circle for people who want independence but don't want to deal with the economic reality of what it would mean.

So her spouting about supposed right wing funding of women's groups is a feature of her psyche, not a bug.

This piece from 2014 is very interesting on some of the conspiracies - Black isn't mentioned in this piece but she pushed the "hidden oilfields" nonsense plus many others at the time and since then too. www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/secret-oilfields-of-scotland

Helleofabore · 09/08/2023 08:06

OldCrone · 09/08/2023 08:02

I honestly don’t understand how voters make the decision to vote in a 20 year old as Black was initially.

I think it had more to do with her being SNP than a personal endorsement. The SNP went from 6 MPs in 2010 to 56 in the 2015 election out of a total of 59 Scottish seats in the HoC.

I see.

BadgerFacedCoo · 09/08/2023 08:06

Coke hag runs mouth shocker. 🙄

LauraNorda · 09/08/2023 08:18

It's what happens when you get a kid to do a grown-ups job.

Now our MP is the baby of the House. Never had a (proper) job and knows nothing about life.

Froodwithatowel · 09/08/2023 08:29

Not one screw fully tightened.

Apparently we can choose between 'fuck off immigrants' - from someone who actually thinks it's appropriate to speak like this in a public role of responsibility -

and 'I'm a mouthpiece for a D&D game that isn't actually happening anywhere except between some people's ears, and reality is something that happens to other people'.

And both want to run the country.

Can't we have some sort of reality tv show to select the next government from non politicians on some kind of phone in? I swear we'd end up with better options. We'd be better off with the winners of Strictly and Master Chef.

LizzieSiddal · 09/08/2023 08:36

Misogynist slurs and trying to silence women's voices.

Does she actually ever take a minute to think about the messages that come out of her mouth. She’s as thick as mince.

RoyalCorgi · 09/08/2023 08:40

Aren’t we all still waiting for the money to be dropped off in bags at our doors?

I am bitterly disappointed to report that I haven't seen any of this US far-right funding. I was hoping to have buggered off to Santa Barbara by now, and see out my days in an eight-bed mansion with its own swimming pool. How long am I going to have to wait?

Igneococcus · 09/08/2023 08:43

I rather like this comment in the Times:

"The 'intellectual debate' is about whether trans people exist as 'born in the wrong body', or whether they are in fact mistaken, deluded, and suffering from dysphoria.
Since it's clear that no one is born in the wrong body, it follows that they are deluded in that belief.
They do however, exist!
So it's not their existence that is contested, but their sex.
Sex is a fundamental aspect of existence which cannot be altered in mammals. It predates humanity, and each of us must come to accept that we are either male or female, else live in a deluded state of consciousness.
The debate about how to deal with deluded men and the charlatans enjoying access to women's spaces, is long overdue. It is hugely significant because women are oppressed on the basis of our sex.
The public is at last waking up to the need to defend women and girls from the myriad of assaults on the rights and protections we have struggled to amass over many decades.
The trans lobby is a deeply regressive, reactionary, authoritarian male rights movement, allied to the interests of the industrialised pharma medical complex, steeped in post modernist notions of person centred variable realities more closely associated with marketing hype than Scottish people's lives.
It's promise of endless cosmetic surgeries and life long drug regimes, fit the fantasies of porn sick fetishistic narcissists who demand that we acquiesce, even when to do so threatens women's dignity, privacy and safety.
Resist, do not comply."

Waitwhat23 · 09/08/2023 09:03

Lorna Slater made herself look a bit of an arse with the whole 'right wing funding' nonsense -

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-government-cannot-back-up-26961353

Wellies54 · 09/08/2023 09:06

They've dug their heels in and are refusing to back down even as they're losing the argument. You don't win people over to your argument by calling them bigots! And I hope they're asked to back up their 'right wing money ' claims!

RoyalCorgi · 09/08/2023 09:08

That's a great comment, Igneococcus. Who's it by? (Can't see comments.)

The slur that gender-critical feminists are funded by far-right American groups is one of the lies endlessly repeated by trans activists because they lack any kind of rational argument to defend their position.

Beowulfa · 09/08/2023 09:10

Are we supposed to be taking lectures from the SNP on financial ethics?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/08/2023 09:10

Renowned Kit Kat fan says what?

Kevinscousin · 09/08/2023 09:15

If there is any justice she would get absolute pelters for this; comparing criticism of gender ideology legislation to Jim Crow laws? Not to mention the misogyny and ageism. What a horrible piece of work. She won't of course . Not within the Scottish nationalist dominated media and Guardian etc .(Whose readership I used to be proud to be a part of ! Changed days! What a pathetic bunch!) She has shown herself up through her time at Westminster as just a superficial soundbite artist.Mhairi is a complete chancer who has done bugger all for her constituency.She can do a good (written by others) speech and I'm sure she is first in line for a List seat at the Scottish Parly. Mhairi has FM in her sights , Goddess help us.
What an absolute state of affairs.

Ingenieur · 09/08/2023 09:27

@Helleofabore

The funding conspiracies relating to the UK are not even believable at this point. And if an MP believes them, they really should never have been elected.

Absolutely. By contrast there is a clear pattern of funding on the other side, from billionaire activists to drug companies to institutional investors.

Dark money indeed!

Kevinscousin · 09/08/2023 09:28

@Tootsweets23 ah yes the conspiracy theories! Yes I remember all these kicking about as I still lived in Scotland at the time. A guy I knew at the time used to send me them on Facebook. He was quite annoyed with me because I wasn't 150% swearing allegiance to the SNP like a lot of people were at the time .(In fact, I really wasn't sure about them at all, and thought their case for Indy was sadly lacking economically. People used to get really het up about all these conspiracy theories at this time . It was wild. And if you questioned them, you were called a Britnat or a yoon!

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