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ACatCalledPushka · 2023-07-23T21:00:40+00:00

Well done to the hotel staff. ‘trans ‘woman’ given key to the unisex changing room instead of the female changing room ‘trans woman’ not happy. [[https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg https://twitter.com/anneicoombes/status/1683090524641566721?s=46&t=5tHsrgY5T97exTqeFD4LWg]]

StefanosHill · 01/08/2023 10:39

DarkDayforMN · 01/08/2023 10:35

I don’t know, I wonder if it’s time we moved past the idea of the hypothetical lovely harmless transwoman in women’s changing rooms and moved straight on to stating the obvious: lack of respect for women’s boundaries is the single most dangerous quality a man can possess.

I think it’s a simple message and a straightforward one to communicate. And it’s a very important message for young women to hear, which has broad applicability beyond the trans debate.

Yes we should move on. The social experiment was tried, it’s failed. Women and girls lost out. Men gained.

BezMills · 01/08/2023 10:39

@DarkDayforMN I absolutely agree. There is a man down at our local beach who has been skinny dipping and walking about naked. He's well on his way to getting his collar felt because the fact that he is making no effort to cover up, is a giant red flag. If he likes swimming with the freeballs, then he can get in the water wearing shorts, take em off and enjoy it, then put em on before he gets back out the water. But no, this guy wants to be naked in front of others, and therefore Red Flag, getting his collar felt and told NO.

Treaclemine · 01/08/2023 10:48

That triggers a memory. Geology field trip at Beachy Head. Man sunbathing naked when we arrived, all women, who politely ignored him, he had chosen a secluded spot and we were intruding. We walked out on the wave cut platform and looked for clay extruded by the pressure from the cliffs before turning back. He was now standing at the edge of the rocks. He had put on a t-shirt, but no shorts. Display. Why? We found a different way off the rocks. But he had to claim the beach and embarrass us. We disappointed by not reacting.

DiabolicalFinial · 01/08/2023 11:33

Interestingly, in the tweet above (the exchange with RW), the question is posed as to whether the newspaper mentioned if there were “particular rules for male officials” (my emphasis)…

Datun · 01/08/2023 11:50

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 01/08/2023 10:23

The problem with the 'Anne in girls' changing rooms' thing is that Anne might well be lovely, no threat, etc, and doubtless it would've been fine if she didn't perv or flaunt her differences, but you can't let Anne in and then bar all the other 'Annes' - you'd have to let any possibly dodgy Annes in too. It's like me saying that I can take my pooch into the playground in the park because she won't poop there and will just sit quietly. The rules have to apply to all. ( I don't mean to be disrespectful - it's just the only example I could think of that's not human-related.) So I do feel for the Annes. But they have to use the unisex changing rooms.

Apart from what other people have said about men not respecting women's boundaries are already, and immediately, displaying a red flag, I wouldn't want to share my space with men who are genuinely safe anyway. Even if they didn't realise they were upsetting women.

I don't want to share my changing room because of privacy. I don't want to share with my brother, or my son's friends, or my late father in law. All delightful and wouldn't hurt a fly.

Although there is the obvious problem of predation, it doesn't start and end with that. There is dignity and privacy as well.

it's very galling that suddenly we have to justify why we want to get changed in private!!

CriticalCondition · 01/08/2023 11:50

I had a similar experience as a young child. On holiday at the beach with my parents and younger sister while looking for a place to sit down we came across a man sunbathing naked in the sanddunes. We averted our eyes and gave his hollow a swerve to find a spot further along and lower down on the beach. A bit later we looked up and there he was with a t shirt on but no shorts and genitals on full display standing on the skyline immediately above us. Power stance needless to say. I remember thinking ah, he's just enjoying the sunshine. My mum said don't look, don't react, that's what he wants you to do.
Yup. She knew.

GailBlancheViola · 01/08/2023 12:00

I wonder if it’s time we moved past the idea of the hypothetical lovely harmless transwoman in women’s changing rooms and moved straight on to stating the obvious: lack of respect for women’s boundaries is the single most dangerous quality a man can possess.

Yes. This needs to be said over and over again and loudly.

BonfireLady · 01/08/2023 12:46

GailBlancheViola · 01/08/2023 12:00

I wonder if it’s time we moved past the idea of the hypothetical lovely harmless transwoman in women’s changing rooms and moved straight on to stating the obvious: lack of respect for women’s boundaries is the single most dangerous quality a man can possess.

Yes. This needs to be said over and over again and loudly.

Agreed. As demonstrated beautifully by Anne's digital footprint. From gaslighting "Myra" with Anne's blog of how lovely and harmless Anne is, to getting angry that Anne was given the dignity of a key to the unisex changing rooms "with me in this skirt!", to the time it took for Anne to realise that Anne would get outrage, not sympathy for wandering through (not around, Robin, if you're reading this 👍) the women's changing rooms while teenage girls were naked and changing.... all the way through to the MILF milking porn reveal.

Who knows Anne, it may have been you who caught Andrew Neil's eye at just the right time for him to take a peek at what was going on. If so, thank you 👍

meowgender · 01/08/2023 12:51

Agreed it's like if someone broke into your house and insisted that it was perfectly okay to do so, as they don't want to hurt you or steal anything or cause any harm.

DeanElderberry · 01/08/2023 12:54

Anne didn't wander anywhere. Anne walked with deliberation and purpose.

SqueakyDinosaur · 01/08/2023 13:34

I think Andrew Neil's initial peak was from Choo Cole's testimony in the States, which is truly horrifying.

BonfireLady · 01/08/2023 14:03

SqueakyDinosaur · 01/08/2023 13:34

I think Andrew Neil's initial peak was from Choo Cole's testimony in the States, which is truly horrifying.

It was indeed. I'm just wondering what finally made him look. She's been on TV before and written about. I'm assuming he didn't look before because it all sounded so distanced from anything that was relevant to him.

Perhaps a combination of things rising up in the public consciousness: Isla Bryson, women's sports, Starmer on Radio 5 with Nicky Campbell doing a weird half flip flop.. and maybe finally our lovely friend Anne? I guess we'll never know. But sunlight is definitely pouring in from several places now.

MavisMcMinty · 01/08/2023 15:16

DarkDayforMN · 01/08/2023 10:35

I don’t know, I wonder if it’s time we moved past the idea of the hypothetical lovely harmless transwoman in women’s changing rooms and moved straight on to stating the obvious: lack of respect for women’s boundaries is the single most dangerous quality a man can possess.

I think it’s a simple message and a straightforward one to communicate. And it’s a very important message for young women to hear, which has broad applicability beyond the trans debate.

Yes! You get my vote.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 01/08/2023 16:15

Mine too.

SinnerBoy · 01/08/2023 17:06

*Treaclemine" · Today 10:48

That triggers a memory. Geology field trip at Beachy Head.

Oh! A fellow rock fondler! Sorry to hear about your experience with the perv, I bet he would have stayed put, had you been in a mixed group.

SinnerBoy · 01/08/2023 17:07

Gah! Formatting fail again...

betterchange · 01/08/2023 17:09

If I were AC, I think I'd now give up on the wig, go back to wearing my bloke's jeans and try to pretend it all never happened and that AC was a VERY distant cousin with whom I had no contact.

Of course, I'm not AC and therefore have no idea how AC plans to brazen this one out.

And on the flasher front, I've seen several over the years. I reported one to the police and was surprised at how seriously they took it, and how supportive they were to me (and this was in the 1980s!) But the copper told me about the concept of escalation of sex-related (read, power-related) crimes. So it's been recognised for a long, long time.

Maybe 25 years ago, on a sunny bank holiday, I was at a popular Peak District spot with my small child, and with very many other families. And through the crowd strutted an elderly man wearing nothing but a baggy turquoise G string. So he was not actually flashing but clearly was totally inappropriately undressed. You've got to wonder.

MavisMcMinty · 01/08/2023 17:57

As a child in the 70s, flashing was a bit of a joke, a bit Benny Hill, the subject of cartoons and postcards. It wasn’t until it happened to me - at an otherwise deserted railway platform after a late shift - that I really appreciated how scary and menacing it is. The boy who flashed me was no more than 16 (I was about 25 IIRC) and I wondered then and since what he might be doing by the time he was 20.

It made me move to within walking distance of work, so it effected a positive change, but from a place of fear.

MavisMcMinty · 01/08/2023 17:59

…I didn’t report it, couldn’t have identified him anyway, as I pretended I simply couldn’t see him standing next to where I was sitting with his cock in his hand.

betterchange · 01/08/2023 18:08

yes, many of my uni friends thought it was quite a joke that I was flashed. But it happened on a dark cut-through in a small development of university accomodation, where he'd clearly waited for a passer-by, and was accompanied by some unintelligable words from the flasher. I couldn't tell what the words were, but I knew the tone and it scared me. It wasn't funny at all, despite what all the "lads" in my friendship circle seemed to think.

Treaclemine · 01/08/2023 18:09

One has to wonder what passes for thought in their minds. My lady brain doesn't have an equivalent.

MavisMcMinty · 01/08/2023 18:20

Before it happened to me, I got to work one morning and one of the staff nurses was being interviewed by a copper. To my shame now, I laughed when she told me she’d been flashed on her way to work, and she made it very clear that it wasn’t a laughing matter.

N0RKS · 01/08/2023 18:29

DarkDayforMN · 01/08/2023 10:35

I don’t know, I wonder if it’s time we moved past the idea of the hypothetical lovely harmless transwoman in women’s changing rooms and moved straight on to stating the obvious: lack of respect for women’s boundaries is the single most dangerous quality a man can possess.

I think it’s a simple message and a straightforward one to communicate. And it’s a very important message for young women to hear, which has broad applicability beyond the trans debate.

This is succinct and perfectly expressed.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 01/08/2023 18:56

Maybe 25 years ago, on a sunny bank holiday, I was at a popular Peak District spot with my small child, and with very many other families. And through the crowd strutted an elderly man wearing nothing but a baggy turquoise G string. So he was not actually flashing but clearly was totally inappropriately undressed. You've got to wonder

Interesting. I had virtually the same experience in the middle of London early 2000s. Hot day, lots of people sunbathing in the park in their lunch hours, elderly bloke similarly attired walked through the crowds to find a space in the middle of the grass.

I just put it down to being uninhibited, but of course the audience might have been the whole point.

BitOutOfPractice · 01/08/2023 18:59

I was on the last tube home one night in the 90s. Reading my book. Looked up to see a man exposing himself standing right in front of me so it was at eye level and very close. I was very scared. I’ve never forgotten it after 30 years. It was no laughing matter at all.