"If you see a terf ... " Sarah Jane Baker thread 2

[IwantToRetire]

Not sure if anyone wants a second thread but as the issue is still live thought I would start one

Original thread https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4844898-if-you-see-a-terf-punch-them-in-the-fucking-face-speech-at-trans-pride-london-8-july-2023

The TR movement seems to rely a lot of forcing links between unrelated things doesn't it, @potniatheron

I've come to the conclusion that anyone who relies on such tactics is coming from a position that has no true merit.

That's a good point @AlisonDonut

Is there any independent verification that it actually happened? I suppose I've just assumed he's telling the truth because given his history of violence and sadism, it doesn't seem too much of a reach.

Indeed. Transgenderism is a classic example of a parasitic ersatz-movement. It can only gain a facade of reasonableness by glomming itself onto a real movement and sucking the blood off of its host.

This has serious implications for the movement that's been glommed onto. Studies conducted in the last 2 years in the US show a marked decline in positive attitudes to 'LGBTQIA' people, especially amongst Gen A. Many knowledgeable observers think it's the forced addition of the 'TQIA' that's caused this,a dn is colouring perceptions of ordinary gay and bi people who just want to live life in peace.

It doesn't really make sense, in an article I read (https://inews.co.uk/news/uk-longest-serving-transgender-prisoner-sarah-jane-baker-369723 ) he said:
" I cut my testicles off when I was in my prison cell.
There was so much blood, I nearly died. But it meant the clinic had to give me oestrogen. I couldn’t cope any more. Without testosterone you end up with the same conditions as a woman would, risk of breast cancer, osteoporosis, so it had to be balanced out. I’ll be on oestrogen for the rest of my life. "

Why would a man have to be given oestrogen because they've removed their testicles? I suspect he's made it up.

So the idiot couldn't even castrate himself properly. If you use the correct method there will be very little blood, as any vet or farmer will tell you.

What an incompetent loser.

100%

https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/

"We particularly highlighted the egregious ways in which Black women, specifically Black trans women, are violated. #BlackLivesMatter was developed in support of all Black lives."

You're right - there isn't any link between BLM and trans.

I never said there was.

The point I was making in response to the idea that the trans agenda had taken hold in society in the same was as the BLM agenda.

And I was just saying this is false.

It is patently obvious that to society as a whole (ie white people) BLM was a passing glitch.

The TRAs thanks to the groundwork done by the queer activists of the 80s have a foot hold in government, education, funding, the media, the arts, NHS and as most posters on FWR have shown day after day, the impact on women and women's rights are enourmous.

No institutions indicate that their policies or public statement are in anyway influenced by, or wanting to be acknowledged by, BLM.

I am not for one moment saying that's right.

But just part of the huge takeover by TRA culture on all areas of our lives.

And just in terms of numbers is it grow hyporcrasy of society.

Not sure how many genuine gender dysmorphic people there are in the UK, but even allowing for the fringe hangers on, it does not exceed the number of people from Black and Minority Communities.

😂

Lesbians and women’s groups have been destroyed by these men well before the current emanation. We warned about the takeover and we’re told to be kind.

The Elephant in the Room: https://suedonym.substack.com/p/the-elephant-in-the-room

CourtNewsUK
@CourtNewsUK

Transgender activist Sarah Jane Baker appeared in court today and was remanded in custody at a men's prison. Baker allegedly told a crowd at the Trans+ Pride rally in Westminster: 'If you see a TERF, punch them in the f face.'

https://twitter.com/CourtNewsUK/status/1681999862693240832

Have not seen any other reports.

Aww, poor Baker. Plenty of time for them to reflect on how this could have happened. “It was completely out of character, M’Lud!” isn’t really an option here, is it?

The row about Laura Pidcock's tweet against Baker continues on twitter. She has responded to her critics accusing her of being right wing by being against violence posting a quick definition of socialist feminism.
https://twitter.com/LauraPidcock/status/1681935104636010496

The original tweet has over 800,000 views. I don't think she has fully peaked but she is heading that way.

Apart from a few right wing papers, the online message and in printed media, is totally pro trans. And the complete failure to cover the impact of the trans agenda on women and same sex attracted people doesn't even surface in most people's minds.

My own workplace perspective is that we are far from being ‘peaked’ and that, in contrary, despite talk of entrenching free speech, the trans agenda continues to dominate all EDI efforts across many institutional spaces. There is a hierarchy and trans is at the top. Arguably perhaps it’s because my workplace is HEI but I agree that the impact on women in general and same sex attracted people in particular is seemingly ignored. Meanwhile homophobia is on the rise due to the forced teaming by the t’s. So worrying.

That is top algebra! 😀

Some great points made on this thread.

I've never seen a circle so imperfect. Oruburos is real form.

I didn't interpret that tweet as a definition of socialist feminism, but rather as the same kind of purity politics that the KJK haters on this board come out with.

Right wing women are women and women's rights are for all women, even the ones I don't like.

Baker appeared at Westminster Magistrates Court this morning, via video-link from HMP Wandsworth, speaking only to provide a name and date of birth.

The activist denied using threatening or abusive words or behaviour with intent to cause harassment alarm and distress. A trial date was set for August 31 at City of London Magistrates’ Court.

Deputy Chief Magistrate Tan Ikram said: ‘It is important [Ms Baker] does not stay in custody any longer than necessary, her liberty is most important.’

Outside court Baker’s supporters held banners saying ‘Free Sarah’ and ‘No Equality and No Silence.’

An Instagram page with more than 2000 followers has been set up campaigning for Baker’s release from a male prison.

Baker, of Richmond, was remanded in custody ahead of a further case management hearing on 17 August.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12320823/Transgender-activist-Sarah-Jane-Baker-accused-punch-TERF-face-remanded-custody-recalled-mens-prison.html

Deputy Chief Magistrate Tan Ikram said: ‘It is important [Ms Baker] does not stay in custody any longer than necessary, her liberty is most important.’

This implies he has not been recalled to prison for breaching his probation but is only being held in relation to this charge.

It's not breach enough?

Why is it important that Baker doesn't stay in prison any longer than necessary, Mr Tan? Over and above ordinary mortals, is that? And is Baker's liberty more important than other people's liberty? That statement reads that way to me..

I'm very happy for Baker to be locked up and I'll bet the people of Richmond are, too.

Agreed @Rightsraptor The magistrate should be the impartial arbiter of justice, and that comment felt a long way off impartial.

@IwantToRetire I think a bit of both. The current legal process relates to the new charge. But there’s no way he’d be detained awaiting trial for such a relatively trivial matter in normal circumstances. He’s banged up now because he was on licence when the alleged crime was committed.

I knew that Maths O Level would come in handy one fine day.

"Her liberty is most important"

That Magistrate is showing his colours.

That Magistrate is showing his colours.

I thought the remark was inappropriate, but have got so used to this favouratism that I didn't mention it.

But yes, surely the Magistrate shouldn't say that, particularly in SJB is being held in a prison because of probation breach, which is dealt with by a totally different system and has decided he should be in prison until this offence is dealt with by Magistrates.

Would have been more appropriate to say it seems a shame that the accused may have been found to have breached probation restrictions.