KJK and the neo-nazis video

[niandraladesand]

Just wondering if anyone here has seen this yet and what you think of it

Ah, is it time for the bi-weekly 'everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi' mudslinging already?
I thought we just had one.
Interestingly, a lot more trans activists than Nazis have turned up to disrupt her events, so by the logic of the video that makes KJK is the most enthusiastic trans rights activist out there.
OP, if you genuinely want to make progress on this, we'll go a lot faster if you engage in good faith.
All of us on this board know exactly what KJK has said and not said. Some agree with her and like her. Some don't, but we all know that she's not a Nazi.

If nothing else this thread is a great showcase for highlighting the genuine parallels between the nazis & extreme transgenderism. Did the OP ever return to answer Serafina's excellent explanation of DARVO:

"Who: a) carried out experimental medical procedures on children; b) had an unaccountable fondness for shouting slogans and waving flags everywhere; c) were homophobic; d) attempted to stymie free speech because it threatened their ideology; e) entertained no debate or questioning; f) used government propaganda to enforce conformity with their ideology; g) threatened violence or death against those who refused to be silenced; h) turned on anyone, including allies, who fell any way short of 100% compliance?
Was it:
Feminists?
Nazis?
'Trans rights' activists?"

Damning isn't it?

As the OP seems to have scuttled off, here's something really worth reading - Helen Joyce in the Mail:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnists/article-12299641/The-lie-men-women-leads-rapists-womens-prisons-writes-HELEN-JOYCE.html

@TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening

Thanks. I didn't know Duthie Park even had a Speakers Corner.

Thanks also to OP as without this thread I wouldn't have known about this event. Keep up the good work 😁

I suspect the purpose of this thread was to get the title on FWR.

Not sure if everyone realises but google (and possibily others) instantly add FWR titles to their search engine.

So this means it will now appear when anyone searches KJK it will appear she is linked to Nazis - source MN FWR.

So no need to take part in a discussion. The purpose has been achieved.

If I thought it worthwhile I would report to MNHQ that this is a bad faith thread and an attempt to publicly smear a well known person.

eg an interesting discussion could have been a compare and contrast.

ie watch any of the recent LWS events (I mean listen to the women talking) and then try and link them to "nazis".

Which would be a much more valid source of the politics of KWS / KJK than speculative interpretation of someone standing in the same vicinity of right wing agitators.

• Slow hand clap for @niandraladesand the OP there!

Such a feminist that she has to wait for a bloke to tell her what to think!
SMH!

Incidentally, you might wish to acquaint yourself with the work of Josef Mengele and then think abut which side of the argument it is that is insistent on carrying out dangerous, harmful, unnecessary and experimental surgery on youngsters and then be very ashamed of yourself!
You and your like disgust me and then for you to have the brass necked cheek and effrontery to refer to other people, particularly women in such a derogatory way is absolutely shameful!

i) Turned up where the people they were trying to erase were and stood outside with placards discouraging people from going in?

KJK is blonde. Germans were blonde. Nazis were Germans. Obvious, innit.

For all those who cant read text in graphics.

Here is the info in actual text ie words that are legible!!

And useful contact to group itself (maybe this should have its own thread closer to the day and I will add ie to events thread I started.

https://twitter.com/WWWheesht/status/1673665454445936643

Iwantoretire - I have been having a chat with Becky from MNHQ about this post so think you should send your last but one post as it’s a good point they maybe haven’t thought of

I meant I’ve been discussing the thread not an individual post

I meant I’ve been discussing the thread not an individual post

The thing is I have a sort of in principle negative reaction to reporting threads to MNHQ.

I was just putting forward what I thought might be the purpose of the thread.

But on the other had there are an awful lot of people who will find one tweet, one video, which sbustatiates their viewpoint, and think that by sharing it everyone else will be blown away and go oh yes, of course you are right, I never realised. And just dont seem to understand that because the rest of us, being pesky lets get to the bottom of this types, just think well this just doesn't match with the hundreds of other videos, tweets, whatever.

yep get that - I was more saying To MNHQ they could at least comment in a less of the slinging round nazis way as it’s misinformation and boring

It is depressing that Mumsnet allow repeated threads about KJK while they deny her the privilege of being able to respond to the stream of slurs. Apparently the OP is a long standing mumsnetter (evidently with a name change). So while I understand that free speech is the basis of this board it just seems unfair that KJK is unable to respond to these regular tedious threads
Mind you - they do allow us all to demonstrate how hollow all these claims are. And to showcase more interesting discussions that call out the lie about "wrong on both sides". Spiked call this out very effectively here:

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Well worth a listen

yes. Won’t somebody think of the cis-nazis and how confused and vulnerable they probably are feeling now?
all of a sudden hordes of middle-aged women, and women of other ages, AND some trans-nazi men are invading their mental territory whilst ALL agreeing that it is impossible to change sex.

They must be distraught.

As a New trans-nazi myself I keep thinking that it is more like the soup-nazi in Seinfeld. But perhaps I am wrong.

@Lettuces I actually watched it. I make a point of making my own mind up on issues and doing my own research. And I make a point of reading/watching things I see other ms telling me not to or see others dismissing. So having sat through it and having already done my research on the subject I echo @Myalternate

"Propaganda. Misleading, biased presentation.

Defamatory, slanderous and malicious."

KJK is a strong personality. I don't agree with everything she says but SHE IS NOT A NAZI. she's a woman's rights campaigner. She is not "anti-trans activist" she is for woman's and childrens rights.

Nazis went for the homosexuals and the autistics. As a pp said. Who is it doing that now? Hmmm 🤔

Come now Alison, why would they want to do that when they could be punching a terf instead?

Oh I think I'll go and order some stickers now you mention it lassies, as running low. Lol! And some stationary for the new term lol!

What do you think is in bad faith about this thread? I wanted opinions on the video which people aren't even bothering to watch before arguing and throwing insults at me. I haven't reported the personal attacks, but my post is being reported and my history on MN is being scrutinised, all because i disagree with the majority of FWR posters. And yet those same posters are always complaining about the other side not wanting to debate.

I haven't engaged with the thread much because I've been busy. It would never have occurred to me to make a thread just to get it into the search results - if engagement is what drives a higher search result then it isn't me doing that.

I remember when KJK was a controversial figure on here but now i see her talking points raised in almost every thread on FWR. Her ideology is fascistic and dangerous, and it's really depressing to see it being pushed on a forum that's supposedly feminist.

enjoyable spiked podcast

I don't know who the young man in the red shirt is but he was very cogent on the subject of the out and out misogyny revealed by transactivism. I am very old and everyone looks young to me now, but it's always heartening to hear young people say sensible things.

@niandraladesand

If you wanted people to engage with the thread, you would have posted something more than a title, a link and a line asking what people thought. You plopped and ran.

If you're going to lie, at least make it a good one. Most of us are mothers and have stared down some absolute whoppers in our time.

Her ideology is fascistic and dangerous

oh man

receipts please lovey

what is it about KJK that allows her to live rent free in some people's heads? maybe it really is her hair

TRAs are also trying to appropriate genocide and even the holocaust itself.

They really have no shame.