KJK and the neo-nazis video

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Just wondering if anyone here has seen this yet and what you think of it

Maybe read the fucking thread! I watched the fucking video and addressed most of the points. Or have you forgotten?

If you cannot provide a list of these 'far right' entities yet you continue to defame and libel a person because of this 'list', then why the fuck should one reader take anything you say as being credible?

Shall I go and get the list from the transcript? You can then tell us all whether this person's, who has been demonstrated to be false or to have falsely represented nearly everything he has said, view on what is 'far right' matches YOUR view. And then you can explain to us why you think they are 'far right' rather than 'just right wing'.

It’s all so silly, this right-wing/left-wing thing. I looked at Susie Green’s Twitter feed a while ago, and align with her on just about everything APART FROM her views on how to treat gender dysphoric children. I’m not ever going to agree with her on that, but would like her and get on well with her on lots else. It’s easy enough to find common ground with people, to establish a rapport, without having to agree with them on anything/everything else - as a nurse I had to do it all day every day for 35 years.

That's far too sensible. What are you thinking, trying to make people accountable for what they say??

By the way clothes, would it be fair to say that this male is a misogynist who is a self-identified influencer who has been proven to present false representations to gain clicks and views, yet here YOU are supporting him on a feminist chat board.

What does that say about you?

So far I am half way through the transcript and I haven't got a list of organisations for you. Just lots of falsehoods. Oh... yes. She was interviewed by Rebel News. An alternative media outlet. Want to tell us what she said in that interview that you disagreed with?

You know, address the facts not just issue ad hominem attacks?

@Helleofabore
If you removed ad hominems there's nothing left for them to say.
Notice KJK's policies never get discussed, it's just ad hominems, and guilt by association. It's just the "burn the witch" of our times.

Well if she walks the same as a duck.....burn 'er.

Yeah, even if she did do an interview with someone bad, OK you might think that's a personal mistake, or a strategic mistake, but it makes no difference to the issue of whether TWAW and single sex spaces.

So, I have looked through the transcript, again.

The list seems to be:

JKRowling - I don't believe she has changed to being 'far right' in the past day or so, has she @clothesintervention ? Care to tell us how?

Plus, I don't believe that Joanne Rowling 'supports' Kellie Jay other than supporting Kellie Jay's freedom of speech and freedom from being defamed and libelled. But I could be wrong.

People who have spoken at or attended and not spoken at events:

The Proud Boy was mentioned from Miami. As yet I am waiting for a now deleted poster called Quen to produce the transcript of just what Baracenas said that Quen disagreed with. Maybe clothes can help there instead as I doubt that Quen will be back in the form of Quen.

Hearts of Oak - and yet, I doubt that Hearts of Oak have been back and they were there because on one issue they agree with the majority of feminists. Are they 'far right'? Was that ever established ?

Emma Nicholson - who was called an 'anti-abortionist'. Well, Emma Nicholson has supported abortion in the past, a fact that is usually conveniently forgotten. Would clothes like to state the current English law? And what Emma Nicholson has said about this? I have her voting record and comments around somewhere from previous discussions, but I will let @clothesintervention give us the factual representation of those.

Oh... yes clothes please tell us how Baroness Nicholson is 'far right' please. I mean, she was also a Lib Dem MP.

Media mentioned and interviews

Daily Mail - numerous times.... but apparently this is not about the Daily Mail.

GB News - want to tell us about their 'far right' credentials? When did Andrew Doyle become 'far right'?

Rebel News - is a Jewish founded media service 'aligned' with 'Nazis' Clothes? They certainly are conservative. Care to tell us what makes them 'far right'?

Associations with

Hands across the Aisle - would you like to now also tell us how an organisation who is about getting radical feminists and conservatives to discuss issues is 'far right'?

Brandon Showalter - an investigative journalist for the Christian Post. Yes, he is conservative. Would you please tell us how he is 'far right'? I believe he did a masters in Human rights. This youtuber has said that Showalter is anti-abortion. Now, I did a quick search and I know that I am tired, but I couldn't find anything that Showalter said that states that Showalter is anti-abortion. Please do have a look and let us know. (and I don't mean an article that he has written, I mean something that gives his actual opinion!)

WOLF - Can someone please provide evidence that WOLF is 'far right' please? They are clear that they are not 'anti-abortion-, just as KJK is. So, what else are they to be vilified for?

Let's have an actual discussion rather than having false representations being flung around by a misogynist youtuber.

Who on this list is 'far right' and why? I am very keen to see the evidence rather than someone's misrepresentations.

Oh. and @clothesintervention , if I missed some people, please let me know. I have the transcript up on my desktop and I am very happy to check where I missed something. It is a mess a transcript so I am likely to have missed someone.

Thanks. Looking forward to that informed list of far right people and organisations and the evidence to back it up.

Thank you for taking the time to do that @Helleofabore. Hopefully by the time I’ve made a cup of tea and grabbed my Tunnocks clothes will have come back with their reply.

Oh... and by the way do you read your posts back occasionally.

You admit this man is 'a dick', who is trying to smear KJK and that you don't agree with his conclusions or his politics.

YOU ARE here on the thread telling us that we should take note of what he says though. Without once addressing any specific point. Just more vagueness.

You then victim blame KJK for 'making it easy for people like him to smear here, and 'us'. Wow! Way to go for supposedly a feminist who has decades of feminising the right way if I remember correctly.

So, rather than point out where he is fucking wrong, you fucking join in the vilification and victim blame! Well done.

smear her.

ooh... I suggest you contact MNHQ and ask. I am very sure that they would love to hear from you directly. They respond to emails.

I salute your indefatigability @Helleofabore

The lurkers can find the exchanges between the Weaksauce Smear Police and the Fact Oriented Detail Corps (that's you btw) informative I'm sure.

It's not about the Daily Mail, FFS.

Glad you got that bit right.

Its about the lazy attempt to imply that an association with is the same as being aligned.

I take this over the top reaction to mean you have been caught out so are attempting to deflect.

I salute your indefatigability @Helleofabore

Totally agree - that compilation is just brilliant as it lists not just the silly video but what so many other KJK is a "nazi" posts on social media.

Also what's interesting is when its clear that this suggestion is just nonsense thae arguement that is then used but we (who? feminists? GCs?) are all being smeared by this.

When someone said this on another thread I asked who it was that was saying "we" had all been pushed into this category and got no answer.

So I could only conclude that the people who go on and on about this aren't in fact interested in what free thinking women are thinking, but are far more concerned about what some unsophisticated, immature incel, who thinks they are radically left, but in fact just hates women who have opinions, especially if they are women old enough to be his mum.

Or of course they could be desparate acolytes on Actual Gender Critical Left, frantically trying to show they are a true believer and will go to any length to carry on this witch hunt.

When of course their time would be so much better spent in putting on events, or writing blogs that we positive and "actual" contributions to promoting gender critical views from a left perspective.

Can only conclude they cant and so attempt to smear those who can and show them up as failures.

Re WOLF, Kara Dansky wrote about this yesterday.

What strikes me is how one woman makes some people so irrational. So irrational that they will believe any false representation or lie, any guilt by association attempt and keep spreading it without critically looking at it.

So irrational that it makes some supposedly feminist groups bully a woman they simply disagree with.

So irrational it makes some feminist groups act in the most hypocritical of ways. So hypocritical that they cannot understand that they really have in some ways acted just like the groups they denounce as being extremist (and rightly recognised as extremist).

It is the victim blaming by feminists who claim moral superiority that is stark. And this is a general observation because there is a group of the them who do it. And do it proudly.

It is remarkable. And once you see it, you cannot unsee it.

I do wish these Pure and True Feminists would stop flapping around in circles shrieking like startled geese. It's exhausting having to watch them do it and it reflects badly on all of us. (Tongue only partly in cheek.)

Some of them, some but by no means all, are otherwise sensible people and Get Stuff Done. However, the way they all carry on means that they are not taken seriously, at least not outside of their self-congratulatory, preening clique and their claque of "pick me" fan-girls.

Looking on the bright side, they expend so much time and energy frothing and ranting about KJK, wasting their brains composing well-honed diatribes and charting spider-graphs of tenuous "associations", that hardly anyone has even heard of them.

Maybe that is what drives them crazy about KJK and all the other women they hate? Maya, Helen Joyce, Kara Dansky, Baroness Nicholson, etc. They are painfully aware of their own irrelevance while traumatised by the cognitive dissonance of craving approval from, and alignment with, the hordes of misogynistic men controlling the Left.

It must be a huge release of tension and pent up anger to come out fists flailing to try to give KJK a sound thrashing. Why do they have to make their way here though and subject us to the sight of them repeatedly punching themselves in the head? Are they not getting enough attention on Twitter and Facebook? Has everyone blocked them to avoid having to witness their obsessive, self-destructive rage?

Yet another posse of deranged, FWR-bothering stalkers. Tedious as fuck.

Bosky · Today 06:50
I do wish these Pure and True Feminists would stop flapping around in circles shrieking like startled geese.

One day the producers of the 3 hour long interpretative dance version of the Terf War years will thank you for this sentence.

Truth bomb to start the day.

You should post this somewhere as an article, it's the new Pronouns are Rohypnol.

(My autocarrot tried to render Rohypnol as 'right thinking'. Niiiice trrrryyyy.)

That's a great article. Sets out the situation very clearly. Thanks for sharing

One day the producers of the 3 hour long interpretative dance version of the Terf War years will thank you for this sentence.

Only three hours?

Helen Joyce is becoming (has become) one of the great communicators of the current age. Megyn Kelly has vocalised and summarised the arguments in a way that will reach hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans.

I've watched and read tonnes of the Marxist critique tribe, and while it is fairly impenetrable (possibly deliberately so), I don't think they realise that not understanding is why their ideas aren't gaining traction.

The reason is at its most basic, the public don't want a Marxist revolution. The public aren't buying what they are selling, because they don't want it not because they are brainwashed by the right wing press or whatever reason is used.

Therefore the radical Marxist tribe are fighting a battle they'll never win as they have done for decades, so I guess are get frustrated as these types always have.

That's brilliant, Bosky.

Why do they have to make their way here though and subject us to the sight of them repeatedly punching themselves in the head?

Perfect.

When they're trying this hard, and for this long, at some point they must realise that it's not working. And they can put that down to us being brainwashed, or they can put it down to them being wrong, but they must realise, it. doesn't. work.