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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UCI new policy

188 replies

DistantVworp · 14/07/2023 13:55

Changing categories to Men/Open and women. About time!

www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/07/14/transgender-cycling-news-uci-bans-athletes-female-races/

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Plasmodesmata · 14/07/2023 16:39

Why can't Emily ride in the Open category?

Clymene · 14/07/2023 16:46

Plasmodesmata · 14/07/2023 16:39

Why can't Emily ride in the Open category?

Because Emily won't win. Emily has never got over the fact that Emily was dropped from the men's team because Emily wasn't good enough

That statement. Fucking hell, my eyes! Instagram isn't designed for 500 words of self pity and revolting suicide baiting.

A sport dominated by white Europeans. Yep, just like you Em. Perhaps if you drop out, that will make more space for women who aren't.

SidewaysOtter · 14/07/2023 16:48

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BellaAmorosa · 14/07/2023 16:52

Bridges' Instagram statement is deranged.

And what is the connection with climate policy?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/07/2023 17:01

Great news for cycling.
It's worth noting that tragically any child with a body that's been artificially prevented from going through puberty will never be an elite athlete. They'll be a long term medical patient.

puffyisgood · 14/07/2023 17:02

SidewaysOtter · 14/07/2023 16:32

Four page rant from Emily Bridges in 5…4…3…oh, it’s already here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Curo7iksfbL/?igshid=MTIzZWMxMTBkOA==

I do sympathise to a degree, Em is a young person who's, though seemingly not unintelligent, possibly lived a bit of a sheltered life and certainly been poorly advised, not least by her idiot mother. I'm sure that the pair of them will in time come to accept that the right decision has been made.

Clymene · 14/07/2023 17:05

BellaAmorosa · 14/07/2023 16:52

Bridges' Instagram statement is deranged.

And what is the connection with climate policy?

Emily's mummy is very pro Just Stop Oil. I wouldn't be surprised if she wrote a lot of that mad rant. She is very bound up in Emily's career. Funny how all these TRAs have mothers who are way too enmeshed in their sons' lives.

Sandy is now trying to badger UCI sponsors from withdrawing their sponsorship.

I know you read here Sandy so just to make it clear: no one is stopping Emily cycling. Emily just can't compete against women.

dimorphism · 14/07/2023 17:09

Cailleach1 · 14/07/2023 14:30

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think males can compete in the female competition if they have taken puberty blockers and have not undergone male puberty.

These chappies (or girlies depending on your sleight of hand willingness) still don't have a female body, with all that entails. It's still not like against like.

Way better than before, but a female is not any version of a male. And, if it is to be protected, it should be a positive definition. Not simply male not gone through puberty and not testosterone level dependent.

Unfortunately I think it's highly, highly unlikely that any body which has been subject to puberty blockers and cross sex hormones is going to be healthy enough to compete in any category.

Not to mention that in order to compete at the highest level there needs to be a lot of focus over many years and sacrifices in terms of time spent on other things and any child 'transitioning' has their focus and time spent elsewhere.

ACatCalledPushka · 14/07/2023 17:11

Great news. 😍

But terrible headline ‘Transgender riders banned from all cycling events’. 🤬

ACatCalledPushka · 14/07/2023 17:12

Couldn’t they have inserted the word ‘female’ in between ‘all cycling’

JeandeServiette · 14/07/2023 17:14

🎉 🥂 🍾

dimorphism · 14/07/2023 17:14

And "female transgender athletes" are women claiming to be men, surely. 🙄No provision for them (if taking T) - except in the Open category where they won't stand a chance of winning. So unfair.

Yes, when you consider the extent to which sports have - to this point - bent over backwards for men who think they're women, it's quite remarkable that there is absolutely zero effort to be 'inclusive' of women who think they're men.

The glaring misogyny strikes again.

ACatCalledPushka · 14/07/2023 17:16

Headline has been updated 😀

i copied and pasted the headline from the article. Glad the oversight has been quickly corrected.

Helleofabore · 14/07/2023 17:20

It is all still such poor reporting. I think the reporter has no idea!!

”The UCI has followed athletics in preventing transgender women competing if they went through male puberty.”

Transgender women will be banned from all cycling events under new rules that come into force on Monday, cycling’s world governing body (UCI) has announced.

no. Just female events.

puffyisgood · 14/07/2023 17:21

Clymene · 14/07/2023 17:05

Emily's mummy is very pro Just Stop Oil. I wouldn't be surprised if she wrote a lot of that mad rant. She is very bound up in Emily's career. Funny how all these TRAs have mothers who are way too enmeshed in their sons' lives.

Sandy is now trying to badger UCI sponsors from withdrawing their sponsorship.

I know you read here Sandy so just to make it clear: no one is stopping Emily cycling. Emily just can't compete against women.

Is that right, Sandy reads posts on here? My advice to her would be very simple... having your child's back, unconditionally, is not the same as always telling them that they're in the right. There are many times when a good parent has to, not always gently, for their own good try to steer their offspring onto a slightly different course. Just the simple fact that Em is the thick end of a foot taller than the genetically very similar Sandy tells its own story - men and women aren't the same physically, sporting sex categories make sense and are worth defending with no exceptions.

SidewaysOtter · 14/07/2023 17:24

BellaAmorosa · 14/07/2023 16:52

Bridges' Instagram statement is deranged.

And what is the connection with climate policy?

Given that Bridges’ last Instagram diatribe included reference to Tory immigration policy (IIRC) and genocide, expecting any sort of basis in reality for this word salad would be…optimistic?

puffyisgood · 14/07/2023 17:27

and by the way, Em is a very lucky person in so many ways, according to newspapers went to an expensive school, then a very good university, there are many great careers open to Em that aren't open to most people - in terms of top level cycling as a career, that ship sailed three years ago when Em was cut from the elite men's squad, not today or when British Cycling announced its policy.

RachelNoire · 14/07/2023 17:27

SidewaysOtter · 14/07/2023 16:32

Four page rant from Emily Bridges in 5…4…3…oh, it’s already here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Curo7iksfbL/?igshid=MTIzZWMxMTBkOA==

The irony of blaming it on the money involved in sporting when trans* is really all about making money for med/tech.

*not including those genuine people who struggle with their own body

Helleofabore · 14/07/2023 17:29

SidewaysOtter · 14/07/2023 16:32

Four page rant from Emily Bridges in 5…4…3…oh, it’s already here:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Curo7iksfbL/?igshid=MTIzZWMxMTBkOA==

I really just want to type…. But Emily…. you can still compete, you can compete with the men as you always have.

The hyperbole in this has reached alarming proportions. The suicide narrative is so very irresponsible.

All because women in cycling said ‘no!’ And finally the UCI listened. I am quite sure the flurry of what was it? something like 50 places in events in the world this season were taken by male riders in female events. And look at the new records!!!!

The UCI finally realised it had fucked up and while I am glad, I am angry that those women lost out this year. That included prize money.

LizzieSiddal · 14/07/2023 17:30

Absolutely brilliant, sane news and not before time!

dimorphism · 14/07/2023 17:30

puffyisgood · 14/07/2023 17:27

and by the way, Em is a very lucky person in so many ways, according to newspapers went to an expensive school, then a very good university, there are many great careers open to Em that aren't open to most people - in terms of top level cycling as a career, that ship sailed three years ago when Em was cut from the elite men's squad, not today or when British Cycling announced its policy.

Hmmm, I sort of agree although given most companies do social media searches these days I'm struggling to think of many employers that would hire someone who's known for unhinged rants demonstrating a dubious grasp of reality and a persecution complex.

Signalbox · 14/07/2023 17:40

So will this prevent Austin Killips from running off with any more women's prize money? Or is he competing under a different set of regulations? Also will it stop men competing in the women's Olympic events?

SidewaysOtter · 14/07/2023 17:49

puffyisgood · 14/07/2023 17:27

and by the way, Em is a very lucky person in so many ways, according to newspapers went to an expensive school, then a very good university, there are many great careers open to Em that aren't open to most people - in terms of top level cycling as a career, that ship sailed three years ago when Em was cut from the elite men's squad, not today or when British Cycling announced its policy.

Well, that probably part of the problem. If you go through life in a gilded, padded bubble with every bump in the road ironed out and every door opened for you, it’s going to come as an awful shock when one day you find yourself up against a hard stop of “NO”.

BellaAmorosa · 14/07/2023 17:52

Clymene · 14/07/2023 17:05

Emily's mummy is very pro Just Stop Oil. I wouldn't be surprised if she wrote a lot of that mad rant. She is very bound up in Emily's career. Funny how all these TRAs have mothers who are way too enmeshed in their sons' lives.

Sandy is now trying to badger UCI sponsors from withdrawing their sponsorship.

I know you read here Sandy so just to make it clear: no one is stopping Emily cycling. Emily just can't compete against women.

I see, thanks @Clymene

Whatsnewpussyhat · 14/07/2023 18:06

Fantastic news! 🎉🍾