UCI new policy

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Changing categories to Men/Open and women. About time!

www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/07/14/transgender-cycling-news-uci-bans-athletes-female-races/

Good point. Perhaps a career in fiction awaits.

You know the drill - keep repeating a lie often enough and hope that people believe you. It's standard practise for gender activism, because they can't make any rational arguments.

If all this was happening in a parallel universe it would be comedy.

Can we call it magical unrealism?

Or 'The Will to Win'.

Iran?

Yes I hate this term they use as, call me cynical, but in my mind it just means TRAs and the like will start trying to advocate for earlier and earlier puberty blockers.... which really is a very depressing thought!

I agree, the inability to just say female sport is for females only is infuriating. But OTOH even a 5-year-old boy has had a mini-puberty so, depending on the exact wording of the prohibition, every male would be excluded, because they have gone through some stage of puberty.

While there are developmental differences between 5 year old boys and girls, these don’t have any effect at the U6 level in cycling - I’ve watched hundreds of U6s race and there really is no difference. The ones who succeed at that level are the children with good enough motor control to actually ride in a relatively straight line and use the brakes.

Sex differences in cycling do not typically manifest until U10-U12 and girls can retain an advantage (due to early growth spurt) well into U12. After that the boys catch up and overtake.

We always have separate prizes/podiums for boys and girls of course, even if they are racing together.

Any child who has had their puberty stopped before it began will never be an elite athlete. They'll be a medical patient for life as they try to repair the devastation wreaked on their body caused by the lack of pubertal development.

Agree. We see the proof every single day with detransitioners like Ritchie and Chloe. You just have to listen to Scott Newgent to comprehend the enormous battle for even a semblance of normal life, pain free, after surgery.

Jazz Jennings had puberty halted and originally looked like a poster child for the process, but time marches on. Now the poor kid is showing a level of emotional distress and physical effects that you'd have to be made of stone (like the mother) to ignore. That kid can barely walk a mile, at 20 something. An elite athlete???? Not a chance.

that's right and I think there's probably a social side to it too, most of the very young 'trans kids' are probably to some degree like that poor Joly child, who seemingly gets rewarded by the father at every instance of stereotypically 'girly' behaviour (eg hating jeans, loving pretty dresses, etc).

Although this is about dogs, it is still very informative to see the negative effects of early neutering.

You can scroll down to this section to cut out the introductory section to make it quicker to read:
THE SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN NEGATIVE SIDE EFFECTS OF DOG NEUTERING BEFORE SEXUALLY MATURE
https://dogsfirst.ie/health-issues/dog-neutering/

I love how McKinnin who prides themself on their erudition and word trickery is instantly reduced to s'not fair, I wanna when they've run out of arguments because mummy says an unequivocal no.

It's absolutely bloody tragic, and it's the reason why people like Susie Green are as dangerous as they are. There really need to be some serious questions asked about toxic masculinity and the lack of value - often sheer derision - meted out by society to effeminate males.

That a child needs to seek the approval of parents for shunning all things masculine says much about how transing children says so much more about the parents than it does about them.

No wonder some of these high profile parents are so invested in shouting 'bigot', and 'we are under attack from you' every time the mildest of questions are asked. Facing up to the truth that their own children have paid the price of this current, likely temporary, social contagion must be simply too painful for them to bear.

It's funny, too, (strange, not 'ha ha') how when you drill down to it, this movement is conservative to its nth degree.

Almost embarrassing how easily they are hoist by their own petard, init?

But of course, when it comes to GI, normal rules (especially the ones of physics and biology) don't apply.

I still think we need to be careful of assuming puberty blockers destroy any chance a transwoman has to be competitive in female sports. For every puberty blocked child describing their health issues - I'm sure there are at least as many who claim it didn't do them any harm.

Whether they are telling the truth...who can tell.. but you can look at someone like Nikkie de Jager who was 'hormone blocked' at 14 (perhaps that was too late to fully suppress?) and topped out at nearly 6'3" and around 13 stone, and I don't think claims to be in anything other than perfect health. In the right sport, someone with Nikkie's physical attributes could be a serious force.

Many sports also favour the young. The most damaging effects of PBs may not kick in until later years.

Have any of the transwomen cyclists undergone full genital surgery? I would have thought the need for constant wound dilation would make the hours in the saddle quite difficult. Given that pro cyclists suffer saddle sores with undamaged genitals.

sure. part of the reasons for using eunuchs as palace guards and whatnot was their size and, relative to women, physical strength.

Nikkie is very tall, but also pretty overweight and what I'd call robustly built. As the late great Bill McLaren said, " you can tell he's a prop, they ride low in the water".

I do get your point though. Males are not females and sex either matters, or it doesn't. The "halfway house" compromise is sheer nonsense and impossible to enforce. It's simpler to just say "no males at all, females only".

Makeup tutorials, I couldn't give a stuff what sex the YouTuber is. Sports, refuges, medical spaces, maternity care, or just loos and changing rooms, I care.

I don't think a Nikkie's life as a make up artist is any comparison to an elite athlete? The average age for girls to start puberty is 11, while for boys the average age is 12.

Until there's some effective research allowed (which thankfully Cass is insisting on this for children in the UK) we have limited evidence of the impact of these drugs on brain development, bone density, heart & muscle growth, the endocrine system, etc.

I don't think Veronica Ivy has the physique of an elite athlete either and yet still seems to do pretty well against much fitter women :-)

But I agree - still so much unknown at this point about PBs and I can't imagine genital surgery is at all conducive to hours in the saddle.