UCI new policy

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Changing categories to Men/Open and women. About time!

www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2023/07/14/transgender-cycling-news-uci-bans-athletes-female-races/

Cailleach1 · Today 14:30
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think males can compete in the female competition if they have taken puberty blockers and have not undergone male puberty.

These chappies (or girlies depending on your sleight of hand willingness) still don't have a female body, with all that entails. It's still not like against like.

Way better than before, but a female is not any version of a male. And, if it is to be protected, it should be a positive definition. Not simply male not gone through puberty and not testosterone level dependent

I agree, though without knowing how to analyse the effects on sports: a five year old boy’s body is already very different from a little girl’s the same age.

I suspect the story here is that Sandy was massively caught up in Emily becoming an Olympic star. When Emily went by a boy's name, Emily's star was in the ascendant and then had a couple of accident and was eventually dropped from the national team.

Emily began their transition journey shortly after that. According to Emily, they had wanted to transition for ages but didn't want to scupper their cycling career. While I have no wish to deny Emily's truth, I think it will be very interesting to see what Emily does next.

Sandy was very invested in her young daughters proto modelling career, punting her all over social media at a young age. That didn’t come to fruition. I’ve heard rumours of subsequent ED but who knows the truth.
She then became very very invested in her son’s cycling career.

The narc meltdown on Twitter suggests she lives vicarious through her kids lives. That’s not a healthy place for anyone.

UCI supports the right of all individuals to "choose the sex that corresponds to their gender identity". Which is bizarre.

Even if you could somehow choose your sex, why should it correspond to your "gender identity"? Or has the Ideology now dispensed with the distinction between sex and gender?

... they also refer to "female" athletes where they mean male.

So gender is sex and all words are redefined.

Ah. Didn't know that but not surprised. Her poor kids, forever trying to be extraordinary to please mummy. I'm reminded of Susie Green entering Jackie into modelling competitions as a teenager.

Yep. My heart breaks. For the WOMEN AND GIRLS that are pushed out and/or made to feel uncomfortable doing the things THEY love by male cheats.

About time the UCI recognised biological reality - but better late than never, and very welcome news. Heard it on BBC R4, but can't see it on the website yet.

Emily was still doing pretty well competing against males until fairly recently. They might not have been in the running for Olympic gold, but might still have been able to have a cycling career.

I'm also not convinced that having taken puberty blockers will prevent males from making an impact on women's sports. Are the impacts on males as severe? (most of what you read applies to woman) A study also showed that males on PBs were as tall as those who hadn't taken them. Height/size can confer a massive advantage. They are just kicking the problem down the road, as someone else commented.

Too bad, Bridges.

Silly me, didn't scroll down far enough: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cycling/66203709

Height is limited by puberty, when the long bones fuse. No puberty, no epiphyseal closure or growth plate fusion.

But, of course, puberty blockers are entirely reversible? FFS! I know this is a lie and I'm not a doctor - what are the clinicians prescribing them thinking is going to happen? Oh, trans euphoria - my bad.

I have a link to a study done on males treated with PBs. Indications are they have a tendency to grow taller than their expected heights if they had male puberty. I will have to post it tomorrow as I am on my phone. (But it is in the Break it down thread )

Thanks, Helle - will keep a copy handy when you find it to show to my "gender-affirmation is a good thing" sister living in Portland, Oregon.

Because it is you biology, I went and retrieved it.

Trans girls grow tall: adult height is unaffected by GnRH analogue and estradiol treatment

Lidewij Sophia Boogers,
Chantal Maria Wiepjes, Daniel Tatting Klink,
Ilse Hellinga, Adrianus Sarinus Paulus van Trotsenburg, Martin den Heijer,
Sabine Elisabeth Hannema

published: 06 June 2022

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/advance-article/doi/10.1210/clinem/dgac349/6603101

USA Cycling following suit. I noticed this retweeted by Emily’s mum: https://twitter.com/runwayfour/status/1679945045930135555

“if my friends cant race in the elite races there's absolutely no reason for any of us to race in the amateur ones.” And here I thought just taking part was supposed to be sustaining enough for women. “y’all are fucking done, just wait. we will take this sport away from you.” More saying the quiet part out loud. They really can’t help themselves.

Many thanks, Helle. The paper doesn't seem to define its terms - are "transgender girls" biological males? Apologies if I missed something in the paper clarifying this.

The findings were that with PB these male people still grew tall ( like those with CAIS ). They looked at when different hormones were given to ‘control’ height in the recommendations.

The authors keep referring to male and the effects of male puberty all the way through. So their use of transgender ‘girls’ is meaning those male people.

Forever confused by them claiming to want to be women considering how much they hate us

In the Times they use the term "trans females", plenty of comments to point out this is wrong.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4665afca-225e-11ee-9b6f-7186ba87ded7?shareToken=798d88de5b9d6b38a4f17f85158a61b2

And still Sandy rages on Twitter.
It really is interesting how many women with similar personality traits have trans children.

Apparently looking at a legal challenge.

And railing that poor Emily wasn’t consulted before the rights of women were finally prioritised above the desires of males.

I hope she does bring a legal challenge.

Bring it on! I think until someone does actually bring a legal challenge this is continue to cycle through the throes of ‘it isn’t fair discrimination’ etc.

Bring it on!

And cyclingmum, sandy, if you are still reading MN, we told you all this years ago before you flounced. The evidence you refused to believe is the evidence that has supported these decisions. You buried your head and flounced.

Stonewall lying as usual:

Liz Ward, director of programmes at Stonewall, the LGBTQ+ charity, said blanket exclusions on trans people were “unfair”

She said: “Trans people deserve the same opportunities as everyone else to enjoy the benefits of sport. Blanket exclusions on trans people participating are fundamentally unfair, which often causes trans people to stop playing the sports they love."

Of course they can still do sport - just not in the wrong sex category. FFS!