Archbishop of Canterbury - cut University funding if trans people insulted

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Wow. Equating it with anti semitism. Loved the thoughtful “whatever”. There says the privileged man.

Archbishop of Canterbury: Cut university funding if students insulted

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff59e248-1c6a-11ee-8198-bf96b6365670?shareToken=8c12ffb262fd2ec2ecb0e23f02b1f7b5

Fancy words and tortuous arguments to explain away their misogyny.

So he's campaigning for gender critical women to be platformed and this to be a legitimate view and that any university that refuses to do this should be defined too?

Right?

Right?

Na, we all know he's saying 'women know your place and listen to what the men say a woman is and be nice about it'.

Otherwise he'd explicitly say something about women's rights too. And he doesn't.

The CoE should consult their rulebook over these issues first.

Unfortunately as this is a fairly modern issue they can make up the rules, which has allowed men to transition and maintain positions that women wouldn't have gotten in the church.

If you look at their rules on homosexuality (which they don't talk about much and is quite ambiguous), you know that they wouldn't have been happy with trans, but he'll say anything to stay relevant.

Well, that's out of touch, privileged, ' old Etonians ' for ya!

Religion is belief in the unprovable. He lives his whole life by suspending disbelief.

“they have every right not to be abused, insulted and excluded”

I'll bet he didn't mean homosexuals, women and those with a grasp on reality when he said that though....

Perfect for supporting gender woo, which is all about belief and nothing about fact.

I am intrigued as to what "funding" he is talking about. Government subsidy of STEM undergraduate courses? Research funding?

Is he really suggesting that government pull subsidy of, say, midwifery courses at a university because said department refused to employ the term "pregnant people" and this was then seen as insulting and excluding transpeople?

Or that there should be no government-sponsored research funding into any female health condition on the grounds it did not include transwomen?

Interesting analogy, given that anti-semitism has the same sort of problem as transphobia, in that accusations of such are used to silence people with dissenting views. For example, criticism of Israel's apartheid-like actions against Palestinians.

He transed a woman into a man - as a Vicar - so had an odd Wedding going on here!

KJ
Rev21
9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

I don't think people understand the huge pressure Welby is under.

There's a comment saying he should 'stick to religion' the trans and some gay lobbyist's and certain factions within the government won't allow him to. The church is being put under increasing pressure to include everyone and effectively nullify itself.

He's making this statement because it's an easy statement to make that makes him sound supportive and progressive. I don't he thought it through fully.

I disagree with what the Anglican church stands for but I have sympathy for him. He's literally holding the gates trying hard to balance many competing interests while preserving the existence of the church.

Now the Queen is dead, his job is harder as Charles is progressive and not a true defender in my opinion.

I don't give a fuck how much pressure he is under.

It's not hard to say that biological reality should be respected and don't be a twat to other people.

And say nothing at all about supporting cancel culture.

Never mind the offensive of nonsense equating Jewish persecution to trans persecution.

Justin Welby is a very divisive figure in the Church. Most dedicated Anglicans are more conservative than he, which reflects actual scripture. I really consider him a mismatch.

Personally, I think most people just eye roll at Welby and he hasn't a scooby at how tervan his average congregation is. Especially the Margaret's and Brenda's who keep these old churches going.

Sorry but whilst I understand the anger, I really do, this is a short sighted comment.

Saying that 'biological reality should be respected' isn't even been said by left leaning female MP's let alone the Archbishop of the Church of England.

It's not the Catholic church, it's far more in servitude to the state and has to be inclusive as far as possible so no. He cannot just come out with such a statement no matter what he may think privately.

Saying that 'biological reality should be respected' isn't even been said by left leaning female MP's let alone the Archbishop of the Church of England.

It's time someone did. Welby can start.

And I'm another one who doesn't care how much pressure he is under. If he can't take the heat, he should get out of the kitchen.

This is a good example of where what was actually said has been twisted by the media and others to further their agenda.

He gave examples of a religion, Jewish, so should Muslims, Christian’s, Hindu’s etc all rage that they were not mentioned?

Yes he gave trans as an example but his key point was
“Welby said: You can’t stop things happening once or twice. You can stop them becoming a habit. Universities that allow it to be tolerated if there is systemic, ‘anti’ any category”
= which includes GC, sexism, racism etc. he just mentioned two examples of anti.

I agree a university that goes not support both GC and trans rights to free speech should lose funding.

"He cannot just come out with such a statement..."?

Have the Inquisition taken over?

Do I need to bin my "Eppur si muove" T shirt?

You can’t make up the rules

Christian’s are called not to bare false witness

also we don’t believe god made mistakes so telling children yes you have been born in the wrong body is not biblical 🤷🏿‍♂️

He’s not under any pressure he is a liar and and apostle

he has been removed as the head of the Anglican communion and is literally left with the woke remains so who exactly is he under pressure from
traditionalists have already left and moved to GAFCON

Exactly he has been removed as the first among equals and head of the Anglican community

I really don't see what's difficult to understand. The Anglican Church is a 'soft church'. It's survival hinges upon how progressive and inclusive it is whilst trying to adhere to traditional 'christian values' it's a church of everything for everyone.

The old notion of inclusivity, which existed just a decade ago where you agree to this code of such and such and then you'll be accepted is out.

The inclusivity of no hurt feelings from people with influence who scream and shout loudly in now in effect.

This is where the majority of institutions are in 2023. But unlike some of the rest the Anglican church comes under huge criticism if it takes a more conservative stand.

I wouldn't want his job. Anglicans in more conservative countries are annoyed and some want to separate and meanwhile he's under constant pressure to be yet more progressive and under fire if he doesn't. He understands the stakes.

Now if government would legislate that sex matters unequivocally it would help. A strong defender of the faith like the Queen was will help.

A labour government will bring more heat. As I said I do sympathise. I don't expect support from Welby I'm afraid.

Nor is the new ideology of the far left
this trans ideology that has gript the left has done more to rewind women’s rights in the last 15 years than anything religion has managed

you literally can’t have a bank account if you don’t agree with the woke doctrine

And that’s your fundamental misunderstanding of what I means to be a Christian

we are in the world not of it so you should not be feeling any pressure from SJW types the real issues is that stonewall have got into the theology collages activist bishops have been appointed who are fully onboard

Wellby has been removed as the head of the Anglican Communion so unless he’s not got the email then who exactly is he under pressure from Wellby believes in all of the woke stuff people are not forcing him to make these Statements

and of all teachers that that have been sacked for not useing the pronouns

governors that have been sacked and that recording they have all been from CofE schools

my church an evangelical one has started recommending catholic school 🤷🏿‍♂️we have a church of over 1000 people 300 are children all go to the catholic school we’re not catholic that says it all

Yeah, this is it. What's an insult defined as? If it's'i don't believe you can change sex', that's not an insult. If it's 'I hate Jewish people and they are to blame for everything', that is.

He is the head of the church - a traditionally conservative organisation. He is very capable of having a backbone and saying it. Equally every female MP who fails to say it is pathetic when they have a moral responsibility to acknowledge reality.

Reality does not go away just because you don't like it. This is one of the most basic principles of liberal leadership. You don't pander to authoritarian dictates that undermine the truth. That's how you abuse power.

Saying men can be women and anyone who disagrees with that (for whatever reason) should be punished IS an abuse of power. There has to be a justifible reason to punish people. Otherwise you are either into state mind control or witch-hunts - both of which depart from liberal values of truth and justice. 'Being kind' is a two way thing too. If someone wants respect for belief they need to also respect reality too.

So no I don't buy any excuse from the head of the church of England for not only allowing it but also being part of the problem of injustice and abuse of power.