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Archbishop of Canterbury - cut University funding if trans people insulted

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redfacebigdisgrace · 07/07/2023 09:13

Wow. Equating it with anti semitism. Loved the thoughtful “whatever”. There says the privileged man.

Archbishop of Canterbury: Cut university funding if students insulted

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff59e248-1c6a-11ee-8198-bf96b6365670?shareToken=8c12ffb262fd2ec2ecb0e23f02b1f7b5

Archbishop of Canterbury: Cut university funding if students insulted

The Archbishop of Canterbury has said that universities should face funding cuts if they allow minorities such as transgender or Jewish students to be insulted

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ff59e248-1c6a-11ee-8198-bf96b6365670?shareToken=8c12ffb262fd2ec2ecb0e23f02b1f7b5

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QueenHippolyta · 07/07/2023 14:23

This is why I'm a pagan witch and goddess worshipper.

ThisTimeIts · 07/07/2023 15:02

The last most on page three mentioned witch -hunts then I look at the first post on page four from a witch.🤐😄

DysonSpheres · 07/07/2023 15:03

QueenHippolyta · 07/07/2023 14:23

This is why I'm a pagan witch and goddess worshipper.

Out of interest, what would you do if a man wanted to join you in moon salutations or something?

I was reading a review under a book on witchcraft on Amazon. There was a review from a transwoman complaining that the book wasn't inclusive because it didn't use pronouns making witchcraft only accessible to 'cis' women.

LightlySearedontheRealityGrill · 07/07/2023 15:08

Patriarchal institution supports patriarchal ideology.
There is no such thing as 'God' and if there were, She would be female, because we are the life creators. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Justin.

TheBiologyStupid · 07/07/2023 15:11

Today is the anniversary of the birth of the sci-fi author Robert A. Heinlein, who presciently wrote:
It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.

caringcarer · 07/07/2023 15:11

Unfortunately Welby has a big gob and can't keep it shut. He needs to stick to church issues and not poke his nose into political issues which he seems to not be able to do.

DysonSpheres · 07/07/2023 15:15

He is the head of the church - a traditionally conservative organisation.

The Anglican church hasn't been truly conservative in this country for a long time. I am surprised by comments saying it is.

Now in other other countries latin America, parts of Africa it is conservative. But that's because the culture also has more conservative values. If the values in those countries shift. So will the church.

The Church of England in the UK has been getting increasingly liberal for years.

If you want conservative I have to to say I would only class the evangelical old order Calvinist, Methodist etc and the Catholic Church as such anymore.

In the religious news bulletins it is said Welby comes under pressure from within the HoL itself. Now, the Anglican church is the stabiliser state religion. Every church, even the muslims and hindus benefit from it not folding completely on this issue. Welby has to be seen to give a little whilst keeping the line. That's how serious it is and difficult the balance he has to keep is.

QueenHippolyta · 07/07/2023 15:23

@DysonSpheres I'm actually a Greco-Roman pagan and perform rituals with men. I do my witchy stuff alone right now but if I get a group I'd easily tell the man to fuck off.
Transwomen (men) do not belong in Dianic women-only covens.

Men are dead afraid of women getting together and accessing our power.

JellySaurus · 07/07/2023 15:24

meowgender · 07/07/2023 12:59

Interesting analogy, given that anti-semitism has the same sort of problem as transphobia, in that accusations of such are used to silence people with dissenting views. For example, criticism of Israel's apartheid-like actions against Palestinians.

The hypocrisy of this statement!

How many times throughout the last 2000y have the Jews been told by people of other faiths "Believe this - or else!", "Behave this way - or else!" "Your beliefs are disgusting!", "You want children dead!" ?

DontYouThreatenMeWithADeadFish · 07/07/2023 15:29

Would love to know what the definition of an insult would be? Not showing enough deference? Misgendering the 6ft bearded bloke? Complaining that the 110kg transwoman has injured another woman on the rugby field?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 07/07/2023 15:31

Welby is a Fool

A conclusion I came to a long time ago. He's one of the irritants of life.

Thatgirl1981 · 07/07/2023 15:38

We wish he would speak on church issues

the reason why he can’t because he doesn’t believe in them

he’s steering a new religion that’s far left and woke 🤷🏿‍♂️he’s more aligned with stonewall than Jesus he disagrees with Christ on most social issues

TodayInahurry · 07/07/2023 15:44

He is really nasty and pointless. How big are CoE attendances, in are area of older people only about 6 turn up. He does not seems to care. And he is clueless and out of touch about ‘refugees’. He needs to go

Parisite · 07/07/2023 16:28

Honestly, he is a plonker.

I've spent much of my life working for the C of E, including in a senior role. What he says isn't the result of intentional misogyny, it's the result of the penny not dropping in the mind of a caring but overstretched man that 'persecuted' isn't a uniform category, and that the rights of different groups can be in conflict.

Many senior church leaders (of all traditions) are so guilty about the Church's historic attitude to gay people that they've swung to a 'just be kind and inclusive' default with everything to do with gender. It's the new mantra.

The blind spot here is that if you think 'transwomen are women' is the only kind position, this leads to the invasion of women's sports, prisons, refuges etc by anybody who claims to be a woman. It means you're siding with unhinged and violent activists against the hard-earned rights of biological women.

It's a real blind spot in the Church. Banging on about kindness, without realising kindness has been weaponised by crazies.

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2023 16:30

I am grateful to a mn poster a month or so ago for the information that the Pope has spoken out frequently against gender ideology, and the cultural pressure being put on individuals, families, schools, churches who try to resist the redefinition of what it means to be human.

DameMaud · 07/07/2023 16:33

TheBiologyStupid · 07/07/2023 15:11

Today is the anniversary of the birth of the sci-fi author Robert A. Heinlein, who presciently wrote:
It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.

Really struck by that quote Biology, (thank you), so I looked it up- and I thought it's worth posting the longer version too!:

It is a truism that almost any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so, and will follow it by suppressing opposition, subverting all education to seize early the minds of the young, and by killing, locking up, or driving underground all heretics.

ButterCrackers · 07/07/2023 16:33

What has he got to do with politics? Answer is nothing. He needs to only speak on what he is qualified to talk about which is CofE religion.

Thatgirl1981 · 07/07/2023 17:41

Yep my church is standing room only

loads of teens and young families if you don’t get their 20 minutes early you pretty much can’t get a Sunday school place and they have capacity for 80 kids

ThisTimeIts · 07/07/2023 18:09

Thatgirl1981 · 07/07/2023 15:38

We wish he would speak on church issues

the reason why he can’t because he doesn’t believe in them

he’s steering a new religion that’s far left and woke 🤷🏿‍♂️he’s more aligned with stonewall than Jesus he disagrees with Christ on most social issues

He’s steering a new religion that’s far left and woke 🤷🏿‍♂️he’s more aligned with stonewall than Jesus he disagrees with Christ on most social issues

This

ThisTimeIts · 07/07/2023 18:11

ScrollingLeaves · 07/07/2023 16:30

I am grateful to a mn poster a month or so ago for the information that the Pope has spoken out frequently against gender ideology, and the cultural pressure being put on individuals, families, schools, churches who try to resist the redefinition of what it means to be human.

Soros junior, whose Dad funded Gender ideology, met the Pope the other day.

JanesLittleGirl · 07/07/2023 18:22

In other news Rev. Richard Coles has decided not to go ahead with his application to become a prison chaplain to avoid an interview about his sexuality with the Bishop.

DysonSpheres · 07/07/2023 18:51

ThisTimeIts · 07/07/2023 18:11

Soros junior, whose Dad funded Gender ideology, met the Pope the other day.

Spat out my tea!!! What?!!!

Froodwithatowel · 07/07/2023 19:13

ThisTimeIts · 07/07/2023 18:09

He’s steering a new religion that’s far left and woke 🤷🏿‍♂️he’s more aligned with stonewall than Jesus he disagrees with Christ on most social issues

This

Quite.

The new gospel goes 'serve those we tell you without question or self interest, spit on those we tell you without hesitation or conscience, and we might let you have a bank account and health care. Embrace the glory of co dependency and meekly be a NPC in other people's lives'.

The scribes and the pharisees want you to join their club, and they're not even going to promise you heaven and some chance of a paradise reward at the end of it.

Thatgirl1981 · 07/07/2023 19:31

What secular people don’t know is that many of the bishops are homosexual and 16% are agnostic yes they don’t even believe in god

that is why wokeby Wellby has been removed from the head of the CofE

this why we prayer rooms at hospitals draped with pride flags and trans flags

this is why church schools are telling children there are 3 sexes

RebelliousCow · 07/07/2023 19:41

It used to be said that the Church of England was the Tory party at prayer; now it is very much the woke party at prayer. A lost cause, although I am aware there are a good few local vicars, and others, who are holding out against the madness.

A few years ago I sat in the council chamber of Liverpool City Council, to support an invited speaker from the Liverpool Resisters. The council had proposed a motion that all council owned toilets should be 'gender neutral' going forward.

We sat in the chamber alongside a lot of transactivists (including Joss Prior) and Bishop Paul Bayes. He made no pretence of neutrality, and sat with TRAs, clapping the abusive rhetoric made by the then leader of the city, Joe Anderson.

I was truly shocked that such a figure could be so unsympathetic, and be so obviously partisan during such a horribly abusive verbal display.

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