Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

Tranwomen are male.

Males have always been raped by other males, and abused young boys. There is nothing new about this.

Quite. Hence the original premise of the now very derailed thread.

Paris Lees, for example talks about prostituting himself in order to raise monet for surgery; though it seems very common for those who identify as women to engage in prostitution. I recall watching a C4 documentary about a well known Mancunian figure ( on the 'queer scene) who later transitioned, and in his youth regularly prostituted himelf.

Prostitution is a dangerous occupation for women too,

To expand on that, I suspect that many of the murders of prostitute trans people in places like Brazil have a homophobic motivation. Very progressive legal protections in official law, similar to South Africa, and also similar to South Africa that means nothing in the impoverished areas with high rates of violence.

Oh Mr Bennet, do please come back! 😂

Yes, because in many states which are deeply homophobic being trans is the only remotely acceptable way to express non standard gender. Which is why 'Ladyboys' are such a big thing in countries such a Thailand and Cambodia.

Ladyboys provide a socially sanctioned way for men to express ssame sex desire. I have a friend ( a gay man) who has lived in Cambodia for many years. He effectively set up the gay scene there. All men, even if gay, are expected to marry. Ladyboys and drag are hence very popular as the only outlet.

My friend who left his wife and kids while they were young at school with mine moved on with a man round about the time of the GRA in 2004, changed his name to the woman's version and started cross dressing and shaving etc al.

His father was a very strict vicar. He married knowing he was attracted to men but it seems he can't deal with it himself without this performance of his "woman" personality.

He's probably 70 now. This continued internalised homophobia is as Genspect talk about still very common.

I expect @evieowlette with her confusion over words like effeminate has barely the shallowest perception of this and would abuse any parents that aren't homophobic that know what was happening to their effeminate gay son who can't come out. Same as the activists that scream at LGBA for pointing out the obvious.

Sad to see.

Sorry for continuing the derail.

The women in my circle are just women. No matter what they wear or their names.

Grown ups dont give 2 shits about anyone who makes judgements on us. It matters not a jot what people think about us as long as its kept as thoughts in someones head.

Adults can identify as a chimney or the Eiffel Tower, I give no fucks. As long as they dont want into single sex spaces if they are the wrong sex.

No matter what people identify as, they have a sex.

Great. So you can just call us women and drop the cis nonsense. As you say, no mental gymnastics required.

So why are you finding it difficult to not refer to women as cis?
By your own definition it means gender identity matching birth sex and we have explained until we are at bursting point that we don't have gender identities.
I just go about my life doing what I want to do. No-one stops me from watching football because I'm a woman or drinking pints of real ale or wearing trousers I haven't need to declare that I'm NB to not comply to stereotypes types.

@SabrinaThwaite jinx!

It's just a game to Evie, her group of true believers, the individuals she beseeches are women.

What she fails to understand is that like all other arguers for trans, she's extolling edge cases, insisting on linguistic loops.

The category child is not open to adults, disabled to abled, black to white...and women to men.

This circular argument is tiring, it's been going on for a decade, ramped up since everyone's brains got scrambled by COVID.

Women don't accept cis for their labelling, and men where they're not permitted.

But Evie keeps playing the game. Well, it's a long game now, and women globally are learning to play it.

Actually I think this is all vexatious, nothing more nothing less. If I said an animal that looked like a horse but brayed was a donkey, they would insist it was actually a giraffe.Just to be vexatious.

Or ignorant.

Oh yes, that has been apparent since yesterday.

…the vexatious thing I mean, the ignorance thing is all part of the act. Trying to blame dyslexia for being disgusting about the victims of paedophilia was a particularly low point.

It's that, and the new harassment of women. Rape in marriage outlawed, women can instigate divorce, no more cat calling or Page Three, men rightfully shamed by so much bad behaviour of millennia.

But guess what's left, if women can't be mistreated so easily in the traditional sense, then the bullying is gonna happen on the identity side, on their sense of worth, on their ability to meet in groups and define their group.

All with the blessing of the block headed #BeKind crew.

And in the middle of this is a poor lad who has been assaulted. And no one has any clue what sex the assailants are so the ‘long hair’ may be wigs etc. because no one can trust the police and bbc descriptions anymore. So the likelihood of finding these horrible people is less.
Facts and reality matter in the real world.

@Tinysoxx yes. Poor lad

You really cannot see that you are the one here is driven by stereotypes. You judge everyone around you by stereotypes. But you don’t understand that you. I have lived a life that seeks to just do the things I like, screw the stereotypes. Still am a woman. And only a woman because of my sexed body.

You truly don’t see how very illogical and inconsistent your posts really are.

And no. Non-binary people are most certainly not doing a fucking thing to obliterate sex based stereotypes! Not a thing. Those who are declaring themselves non-binary are forcing the rest of the world to them be part of some ‘binary’. It is ridiculous to think they are doing anything to widen the sex stereotypes.

This is bizarre and false thinking. You don’t fight sex based stereotypes by opting out of being the sex you are through adopting gender identity theory. Whoever told you and them that was lying. Either deliberately or u intentionally.

So, the weird ‘you are erasing transwomen calling them men because they have a high risk of breast cancer’ is a new one !!

Umm. No. They are males who take medication that increases their risk of breast cancer.

What the fuck is the difference between a male who has lost his penis through accident or disease and is over weight with breasts vs a male who has chosen to take cross sex hormones and have their penis removed? A belief in gender identity! Nothing else.

How bizarre to think there is any other difference and that that difference matters in any other way. This repetitive plea that we don’t understand is bollocks. We understand far better than you have shown you understand.

You adhere to gender identity beliefs and have ingested so much false logic and misinformation that you just don’t see it.

And labelling people as effeminate (as you have your father) and saying the women in your life have ‘masculine traits’ is just more proof that you are the one constantly judging by stereotypes. That is very fucked up to blame society for that. That is ‘you’.

Men and women come in all forms, with all personalities. The ONLY commonality is that we have one of two sexed bodies.

And, by the way, it doesn’t matter a rats arse how any person artificially modifies their body away from that bodies originally determined developmental pathway. That is an artificial or cosmetic modification, just the same as other artificial modification.

Why is their artificial modifications any different to those extreme body modifiers who, for instance, have their bodies resemble a lizard? In your theory, in your mind, where is the cut off for this post modernist philosophy of if you believe you are something then you are something?

Honestly, changing hormone levels and surgically making your body resemble the sex it is not, is just that. Nothing magic has happened. You are a person of the sex you always were, just pumping your body with false and artificial hormones for your bodies needs and with body parts removed or fake body parts attached.

It is so harmful to be telling people that they are what they wish to believe they are. A woman is never a male who modifie their body to resemble that of a woman. A woman is never a male who acts in the way that male perceives a woman ‘acts’. They are a male who simply ‘acts’ as they wish to.

Yet, you are here lecturing women and men who ignored attempts from others to fit us into sex based stereotypes for most of our lives. And you are still lecturing.

in addition YOU are stereotyping us as a board all the time. The entire time you have been here with your two usernames. I believe that I remember having similar conversations with you with your lemon username.

But evie. You cannot see the hypocrisy of what you say. Because you seem to be fully indoctrinated into supporting people’s identities.

Whereas we grew up ignoring societies attempts to demand we do that and we did our own thing.

You are lecturing women here who fucking fought for women to have the freedom to do whatever the fuck they wanted and to look however they wanted. You are lecturing those who fought to get YOU the right to make those choices.

The hypocrisy in your thinking is mind blowing.

The only way cis and trans make sense is if the people in the gender “woman” circle share some property that the people in the gender “man” circle do not. No one, ever, can manage to tell us what it is we share with a transwoman that we don’t share with a non-binary female. We do not share the same identity, because we do not see ourselves as being in the gender woman circle. We see ourselves as being in the sex woman circle.

The amount of mental acrobatics needed to have the gender representation as the one we hold internally makes it impossible for me, personally.

There is no need for any gymnastics to hold the sex based representation.

In fact, the only definition that makes sense to group the gender circles is “do you see yourself as being in the sex based woman circle?” The gender based grouping can only exist if it refers to the sex based grouping.

If you make the definition “wants to be in the sex based woman category”, rather than “believes they are” then a huge proportion of women are not women anymore.

If you make the definition believe they are in the sex based woman category, then lots of transwomen won’t be women anymore, because we are told they understand that gender is not sex.

So, if it can’t be about wanting to be a woman, and it can’t be about having the sex of a woman, what can it be?

The only answer genderists have is that wanting to be a woman is enough if you’re a man, and being a woman is enough if you’rea woman. The definition of a woman has to be different based on whether you’re male or female, because us pesky actual women won’t agree to wanting to be one.

I’m in this group because I want to be in your group, and you HAVE to be in this group with me because I only want to be here if you are too.

Calling yourself cis is capitulating to this thinking.