Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

I posted this scenario on an AIBU thread about where 'preferred pronouns' lead.

This is a horrific act and it is not helped by the language that has to be used that causes such confusion in their request for information. They may as well have called the suspects 'individuals' and not indicated that they were 'women'.

There are some very cynical people on this thread. It's well documented that tall women can attack men:

It they are male it's beyond awful that they're being described as women. I just can't fathom this, surely they need finding before they do it again? What if another teen gets assaulted in the interim?

It's not just the heights. The story mentions him waking up, the poor lad was obviously made unconscious. That works if you're a man raping someone. I can't see how it could work for a (incredibly rare) female sex offender.

The only motivation I can think of for two actual women to do something like this is revenge or humiliation, not sexual kicks.

When I was a little baby, that's how my mum appeared to me.

I would posit that 6'3" women are just not unusual, they are vanishingly rare. I can't think of a single one in my fifty odd years in my circle of friends or acquaintances. I've known a tiny number who stood up to 6'1".
This is part of this exercise to blur the line between males and females - 'well there are tall women too, so it doesn't matter if you let transwomen into female sports and spaces.'

I guarantee that if and when the perps are arrested, and are "individuals" IDing as "women", that's exactly how they'll continue to be reported.

She/her/female/women.

The gaslighting is now a constant gasleak.

Yep. I've never come across a 6foot 3 inch female and I'm even older than you.

Plus even fifteen year old boys are pretty strong usually and I think it would be hard for natal women, even two of them, to overpower them.

I've never heard of an assault such as this by two women acting together against a teenaged boy. And certainly find it stretches credulity unless there were drugs or alcohol involved, in which case the boy would be incapacitated but there's no mention of that.

This was the dinosaur violation.

I've never seen a woman with a figure like that!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817083/amp/Police-identify-woman-snapped-performing-sex-act-fibreglass-dinosaur.html

Bloody BBC. Even if they are found and convicted, I guarantee the BBC will publish a report with a photo of two men with long hair and makeup on and still procede to insult us all by calling them women.

That poor boy.

It is possible the victim has described them as women. Don't underestimate how much this language has infiltrated teens. They are conditioned to describe anyone wearing feminine clothing as women, even if they are biologically male and have assaulted them.

This is the danger of messing with language. If the victim is describing two very tall women, that's the description of the attackers that will be used. Everyone afraid to say "men".

If they're male and that's how the police have reported the crime then it's truly disturbing. It just seems deceitful, like the police aren't really trying to find the perpetrators.

Poor boy - must have been horrendous. I hope he has a good support system around him. I don’t think posters should be making fun of the story.

My heart sinks when I see this kind of reporting on the BBC. I don’t know if it’s real or not. Even it is does turn out to be women, based on previous incidents, I can’t trust the BBC or police to accurately detail criminals.

To be fair to the BBC, what they have reported is pretty much word for word what is on the Sussex Police website about this incident. It's the police who have given this particular description of the attackers.

This poor lad was sexually assaulted by 2 blokes. Fed up with the powers that be lying.

Has anyone maybe considered that eye witness accounts especially by young adults and children are not very accurate and height & weight measurements are notoriously over / under estimated yet the accuracy rate of gender is incredibly high. I don't want to discredit this idea but it seems a lot more likely this information is slightly wrong.

I don't think posters are making fun of the story?

Many of us will have our own teenage boys.

I agree that the BBC have made themselves untrustworthy. If they and the police are lying to us and thus making the perps harder to catch, I hope any future victims sue.

Omni-calculator has women who are 190cm or taller on the 99.9 centile.

There are about 2.1 million people age 18, 19 and 20 in the UK. Half of them are female, let's say then there are about 100 who then fit this description in the UK, wonder how many of them have red hair (less than 25?) and Nike trainers with a shorter but still tall mate? This should be a piece of - first scene of Columbo - detection cake for Surrey police.

Unless it's actually a fella...? Then it's 🤷

And the sexual offence rate by females is extremely low. And here you've got two of them! If they are women, this will end up being a much talked about crime due to how unusual it is.

1000, not 100 🫣

Horrible. Probability says it's a man. Despite the massively smaller number of TW in the country, there are around the same number of TW and W sex offenders. Add in the height, and the strength to overcome a teenaged boy, probabilities are skewed hugely to it being men.
And even if it's an incredibly unlikely pair of super tall female offenders (or maybe the poor boy was mistaken about their height), the damage is already done because we can't believe what we the police say re sex of suspect.

Biological females are rarely taller than 15 year old boys
Biological females rarely attack 15 year old boys
Biological females would rarely be able to injure a 15 year old to the extent that he was unconscious for a period of time.

What do you reckon is more likely - these are women and the height is wrong or they are biological men?

Madness. Absolute madness.

Oh yes totally get that they have used wording from the Police. However, the BBC did have a choice on how they worded the headline. They could have gone for "Boy left unclothed after Burgess Hill sexual assault." or "Boy sexually assaulted by two attackers at Burgess Hill".
But instead they chose to include the attention grabbing "sexual assault by two women" despite this not being proven fact.

That's the recollection of an injured and shocked boy. She may well have been quite a bit shorter, and of course she may have been wearing stacked shoes.

@BaronessEllarawrosaurus Trans Women (not men disguised as women) rarely attack young boys and the statement that 2 adult women wouldn't be able to make a child unconscious isn't true, even if that is a genuinely horrible thing to think about.