Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/

There's also threads on MN about the recent census data, which makes transwomen look far more prolific than men for sex crimes. You might argue that some of those transwomen sex offenders are not really trans but I suggest you take that up with the people who've used their influence and connections to implement self ID behind closed doors in the corridors of power.

It's widely known that over 90% of sex crimes are committed by males. Are you in US? I can well imagine that's the kind of knowledge that's been suppressed there.

They knew who they were looking for? What about public safety. Jesus, some of us would like the chance to cross the street when rapey, murdering fuckers are on the loose.

Maybe this comes back to the issue of self reporting though through eye witness accounts and how they could be in-correctly targeting the wrong person. The only thing is though as mentioned before recognising gender is inherently much easier than height / weight

Is this directed at me? I thought my post made it clear I thought the police were wrong to describe that rapist man as a woman. I just don't think it's relevant here really as they can only go on the victim's statement.

My point is @DentonFarley that the police don't describe transwomen as men. They describe them as women.

Here's another one. The victim knew these were men. The witnesses, staff and BTP knew they were men. But they were described as women.

www.lbc.co.uk/crime/tube-horror-women-man-attack-leicester-square/

Wondering if I vandalised something wearing jeans and black hoody with the hood up, would I be described as a teenaged boy in the report?

Surely once arrested and they state they identify as TW is the time to call them TW, but the objective should be arrest first.

I don’t think I’ve ever known a 6’3” woman in my life.

Google tells me the U.S. Census records has less than 0.5 percent of women are six feet and higher and only recently did UK just edge over USA for population height so should be roughly comparable.

So a 6 ft 3 woman if it's an accurate height should be very identifying.

What is the actual point of journalism in stories like these?

There’s been a spate of attacks in my area against women in my demographic and part of the purpose of reports is to raise awareness and circulate a description of the attacker. Right now I’m just a little bit more wary of lone men, of a particular age and build than I might normally be when I’m walking alone in particular areas.

There is a purpose to factual reporting. And there have been many, many instances where journalists have published information deemed to be “in the public interest”

But what is the point of misinforming the public?

@DentonFarley
I just don't think it's relevant here really as they can only go on the victim's statement.

Why don't you think it's relevant here? What the victim said is not reported, only the police (A teenage boy who was sexually assaulted by two women woke up with his clothes removed and injuries to his head and body, Sussex Police have said.)
Also, why not issue a description as TW not women?*

If in fact they are TW and not two above average height women.

I knew this is the study you would quote which is interesting to be honest. The study is inherently flawed in every way. If you look at the original freedom of information request they only classed Transgender people as those who hadn't finalised there Gender Recognition Certificate and the policy was pretty close to self ID (So men impersonating women). There is also no distinction between if the perpetrators where Trans Men, Women or Non-binary. Since 2019 the rules have also been changed.

This study is more of an explanation of why Self ID is inherently a bad idea.

The police have form for providing a stonewalled version of events. They'll stick to it even when it puts the public at risk. It relevant that they are prepared to lie. So I don't think we can assume that we have the boys version of events.

The only thing is though as mentioned before recognising gender is inherently much easier than height / weight

Recognising sex is much easier. In the current climate you can't discount the possibility that victims may feel browbeaten into stating a gender which matches how someone is dressed. This is why it is crucial to maintain the distinction between sex and gender. Sex: biological reality. Gender: invisible until someone tells you what theirs is, and then you're expected to accept it without question.

My totally unqualified guess is that they met and arranged to meet on a dating site. Then, , the poor lads backed out on seeing his 6"3 date and her mate. The ladies have taken offence, on being rejected and battered, stripped and sexualy assaulted him. Just a hunch.

It's ridiculous.

It is nigh on impossible that the woman who is 6ft 3 is female.

This is not a woman's crime.

@evieowlette
If you look at the original freedom of information request they only classed Transgender people as those who hadn't finalised there Gender Recognition Certificate and the policy was pretty close to self ID (So men impersonating women).

What's the difference between a 'transwoman' and a man impersonating a woman?

How many 15 year old boys use "dating sites".

If there isn't any footage of these individuals, and they certainly aren't self-identifying as no one knows who they are, the police can only be working on the description given by the 15 year old and any other eyewitnesses. Who are capable of saying it was two men dressed as women, two women, or two people of unknown nature who were wearing what they consider to be women's clothing.

I'm interested in sex, not gender ID.

Gender ID is only generally discussed here because self ID has been forced on us.

I've yet to see compelling evidence that a declaration of gender ID changes a male human's propensity to commit crimes.

Remember, it was the police themselves who actively worked to changing from a "police FORCE" to a "police SERVICE".

At your service means kowtowing to every pressure on you, from every quarter, effectively changing from dominant to subservient. The customer (incl 6'3" aggressors in soft pink hair and girlie pink trainers) is always right.

Of course, some things about the police never change, the levels on entrenched misogyny, homophobia and racism.

But they're sign above the door is now a multicoloured Pride one, and the terms of engagement are written by Stonewall.

The reporting on this sad sad event is misleading to the point of useless. Indeed it will create less chance of resolution.

At least the police keep their Stonewall Index rating intact, for that we must be grateful.

My totally unqualified guess is that they met and arranged to meet on a dating site

that makes a lot of sense- or if not a dating site then some other social media where the perpetrators represented themselves as women to the victim. In that case the cops could be respecting the “identity” of the perpetrators as being what they said they were, not just based off pink trainers.

This is a spoof post, yes? I mean where's the emoticon for "crock of..."?

Please tell me you're kidding.

Normally waiting 3-5 years for an appointment with a gender clinic so you can actually medically transition, then proving you have lived as a woman for 2 years at least in-front of a panel of at least 2 other medical professionals from a pre-approved list.

Either way the shortest turnaround is 2 years minimum, it's not like the UK give away gender change certificates like skittles.

Maybe not dating sites. Snapchat, Instagram, that kind of thing. I'm not 15 anymore so idk. Just saying it's a likely scenario. Fifteen year old boys are often quite keen to meet girls.

Even if this is true, and the victim reported it to the police as such, for the police at the very least not to broadcast "two 6'3" individuals posing as women...", is hugely worrying.

Reading that, it appears the boy was raped by men wearing womens' clothes as a disguise. The BBC wont report that even if it becomes known.