Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

They're reporting what the victim told them. Is that lying?

6'3 and "bright pink" trainers...."they" all seem to wear bright pink like they think it'll convince people. Poor boy :(

Trans Women (not men disguised as women)...

What exactly is the difference between those two groups?

I didn't say they couldn't, I was clear that it would be a rarity. When you have so many rare acts added up together then the chance of it being correct gets very very small. But as someone else clearly put it we no longer trust the police reports and that is a serious issue

Both women were between 18 and 20 years old, one being 6ft 3in (1.9m) tall
Doesn't sound like a woman to me.

We don't know that the boy stated women. For all we know he said men but the police have decided they are women based on their outfits

True. I don't know I just don't want to speculate until more information comes out and everyone seems to have already jumped on the bandwagon. As you say though the police might just leave it as that like they usually do for cases like these which is pretty shit to be honest.

Transwomen offend at a similar rate to men because they are male.

A woman is far less likely to attack and far far less likely to attack with a sexual motive.

What would be the sexual motive of a woman to make a teenage boy unconscious?

I'm happy you sharing any kind of proof of that

This is an horrific assault on a boy. The number of women who sexually assault is very small, the number of women who act in concert to sexually assault even smaller, the number of women who sexually assault males who are not known to them is vanishingly small.
The description of woman appears currently to apply to people who wear clothes normally associated with women.
It appears that woman is now meant to mean "skirt wearer"

Trans Women (not men disguised as women) rarely attack young boys and the statement that 2 adult women wouldn't be able to make a child unconscious isn't true, even if that is a genuinely horrible thing to think about.

15y is not a young boy or a child in the way you are mentioning, it’s a boy fast reaching adulthood.

The delays in taking witness statements are ridiculous at the moment. Combine that with the fact that victims often do not report to the police straight away and a one month delay is not at all uncommon.

The inaccuracy in reporting is part of what is causing people to lose trust (if they had any) in the main stream media and pushing people towards getting their news from other, possibly also unreliable, sources.

If BBC is saying that someone is a woman when we can all see they plainly aren’t, how can I trust anything they tell me?

In this case presumably the victim has described them as women - the police only have his statement to go on.

I don't know I just don't want to speculate until more information comes out and everyone seems to have already jumped on the bandwagon.

And this is exactly the kind of obfuscation which leads to delays in people coming forward - maybe we're looking for two really tall women? Nope, don't know anyone like that, nothing to report. When in reality the overwhelming odds are that the police are looking for two men, who may or may be dressed as women. The reasons for them dressing as women is frankly irrelevant - it may be a disguise, it may be because of how they "feel" - at the point where a serious crime has been committed, the focus has to be on accurate description. How the perpetrators feel about being called men is neither here nor there.

I don't know the more i think about it the less sense it makes. The chance of 2 Trans girls passing well especially with one in a crop top. The chance of 2 Trans Girls even in the same area seems unlikely. If either spoke a word it would likely be obvious they where Trans as well.

Hello.

1 in every 585 trans women and England and Wales are convicted sex offenders.

That compares to 1 in every 2500-3000 men and 1 in every 243000 women.

Thread here. Data from the census. HTH.

1 in 585 trans women are currently incarcerated for sexual offences | Mumsnet

@evieowlette we don't know the boy described them as women, we only know that is how the police described them.

Nope. The police routinely describe men who are wearing women's clothing as women.

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/appeal-trace-convicted-sex-offender-12697995 This man was described as a woman on Crimewatch by the police. They said 'she could also be living as a man'.

Hauxwell was convicted of two rapes and seven indecent assaults against women.

The police were more concerned with protecting his gender identity than honouring the victims of his crimes who were very aware they were attacked by a man.

Regardless of gender identity politics - surely from a simple policing pov describing the offenders as TW or men dressed as women is both more accurate and more likely to result in sights?

True but surely that would significantly hurt the polices chance of finding the perpetrator because finding a tall man dressed in women's clothing with red hair would be so much easier. I mean has this ever happened before?

Agree that is totally shit and in no way suggesting the police have the right line here but in that case they knew who they were looking for. In this case they only have a statement - unless you think the victim said he was attacked by two men and the police have taken it upon themselves to correct him? It's possible I guess but I think fairly unlikely.

Yeah. It just makes sense to help with descriptions of people. After all they are the perpetrators so why should we give them the privilege of choice over how they are represented