Horrible news story

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-66107716

And I can't help wondering if the "women" assailants are actually women.
Poor kid.

but leaving things as it is doesn't work clearly because Trans Women are going into female bathrooms so make them switch bathrooms and see lot more Trans Men with full grown beards enter instead. Or just don't allow any Transgender person in and make them pee in the bushes or something. Not your problem right? No one here wants to build more gender neutral facilities so fuck em. Or hit them right at the core and just ban transitioning entirely. That doesn't sound familiar to other recent bills passed in America at all. Oh it will still happen but who cares you don't like change. Not like Trans Women have been entering women's bathrooms for years already without issues it's just the recent influx of ones who don't pass as women who suck. Oh but we can't make it easier for them to transition through the NHS and obtain a proper biological transition because that would be bad for some reason.

Also transitioning is bad. Remove safety and protections for vital surgeries such as mastectomy's and watch as Trans Masc people flock to other countries for surgery or try to perform it themselves. A bit like how most Trans Women have to trust DIY sources of Estrogen that haven't been properly chemically tested in a laboratory despite nearly every other developed country in the world having a better more efficient system.

If that wasn't bad enough now pretend Trans people don't exist. Don't use any of the pronouns they give, tell your trans children there making a bad choice and have them either hate you for it or feel entirely indifferent and ashamed of it.

Can you not see how some of the stuff you say makes sense but you sprinkle in these nuggets of hatred in every little crack like thinking people having a mastectomy is wrong even though they should have body autonomy as an adult or assuming this stuff is easy for Trans individuals and there just doing it as part of a social contagion

More than doubled down she can't have missed all the posts from all the posters and all of my repeats whilst still seeing the ones in between

So we shall have to assume that she had absolutely no consideration whatsoever for anyone but herself and her male friends who want to pretend to be women and force their way into women's single sex spaces.

She obviously doesn't care in the slightest of have any considering about anyone who may be harmed because of her and her friends selfishness either

And she most definitely doesn't care about children being sexually abused.

Ok actually nobody mentioned a social contagion but i've heard that theory before so it probably exists here. The thing that got me though is the complete lack of understanding of how hard it is to transition in the first place and how much it costs in the UK.

I just think the debate around other areas of life that cannot really be controlled without staring at someones genitals like toilets and changing rooms wont work and the energy should be focused on GN spaces instead of ignoring the problem until everything turns to shit. Which it kind of already has.

Yes, it has turned to shit, because it’s clear that very many trans people (no points for guessing which sex these people are) have no interest in using gender neutral facilities.

This is not a problem for women to sort out. Our energy is focussed on the dignity and safety of women and the prevention of males eroding boundaries.

”but leaving things as it is doesn't work clearly because Trans Women are going into female bathrooms so make them switch bathrooms and see lot more Trans Men with full grown beards enter instead.”

Make up your mind. Pick one:

a) male people who are trans will choose NOT to respect female people’s needs and stay out of female toilets, even if the law reflects this.

b) male people who are trans WILL respect female people’s need and stay out of female toilets.

Pick one ! Because currently you have indicated a couple of times that you think it is a).

Do you realise what you are saying about trans people when you choose a)?

As you seem to have missed it again

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography?

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?

If you build it they will follow. I honestly feel like some of you have never spoken to a real trans person in your life or you're spending all your time to talking to trans activists on twitter or something or maybe just to yourself I don't know. The lack of understanding is baffling to be honest.

The casual cruelty is unbearable. I am so sorry, Beetle.

As you seem to have missed it again

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography?

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?

I've got nothing else to do this evening! it shows the poster up for who they really are!

Man =
adult human male

Transwoman = male human who says he is a woman

Therefore Transwoman = man who says he is a woman.

Which is fine, he can say whatever he (or ‘she’ if you insist) likes, but female only spaces are based on sex not gender so no men who say they are women should be allowed in spaces for female people:

We aren’t unnecessarily cruel though, hence advocating for third spaces for those males who would prefer to be female and the females who would prefer to be male (and anyone else else who wants to join them!)

Third spaces also provide facilities for male and female people who say they are neither male or female (aka NB people), whereas trying to cram men who say they are women into female spaces leaves NB people shit out of options.

Third spaces are best for everyone.

A great number of us have given birth to teenagers who currently believe they are the opppsite sex to the one we have known they actually are since the 20 week scan 🤦‍♀️

“and see lot more Trans Men with full grown beards enter instead”

We have had numerous conversations with transitioned female people. They understand that their appearance, because they take testosterone, may distress some women and girls. If there is a gender neutral option, they use that. Believe it or not, they have apps set up to help them find solutions that work for them and others.

It is not ideal. But these people fully understand the ramifications on other female people.

Wtf are you about. What are you trying to get out of me here. That I agree that sexualising minors and filming or taking pictures is fine. It's horrendous and as you say if shared on the internet could live forever.

I really don't know what your getting at here. I don't know what happens in these images and to be honest i'm not a police officer or not an investigator it's not my job to know.

@evieowlette Please respond to @Boiledbeetle . You are clearly and deliberately ignoring her question, apparently to hurt her for having more facts and better arguments than you. I’m really rather repulsed by your conduct on here. It’s as though you want to be reported, and are wondering what it will take. I think it’s better for everyone to see what you are, personally, so keep it up, you’re trashing your own side of the argument with every post. It’s a car crash to watch.

I will admit i tend to only talk to my transwoman neighbour about the cats . He's a nice guy. Wouldn't want him in my toilets or changing room though.

It is cruel. I believe they really think they are righteous.

Exactly. Thank you!
Finally someone who has spoken to an actual Trans Woman instead of imaging what a Trans Woman would say.

Just answer the questions

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography?

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?

So that's a couple of niaive statements.We aren't just words you know.

We've been to court cases over this and heard the point blank refusal to accept anything but complete obedience to trans rights.

Mothers of children who are trans are here. Ex wives, people who have been fired for bullshit reasons.

Lesbians driven out of their own groups.

You don't understand because you have rocked up with preconceived ideas and no idea what women here have been doing for years.

Read a few more bloody threads.

Helle was talking about female people who identify as men.

I know we're 25 pages in here but I mentioned building more GN toilets is a good solution but to that I got a response of why bother and who is going to pay.

Go back the post we have been talking about and read it again.

Do you understand that you dismissed child sex abuse in the post?

Do you understand that you have talked over a child sex abuse victim who called you out?

You have doubled down and you are angry. The mature adult thing to do here is to apologise.

This has been said in so many posts.

You were fucking out of line and you don’t seem to be able to admit it. If you don’t understand, take the time to go back and read.

After your appalling comments earlier we need to understand it'd you understand how wrong you were.

So I'll ask again

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography?

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?

Oh dear!

I am talking about female people. Female transitioners.

Not male people.

We have had more of them here talking with us. Want to know what they said?

most of them said versions of ‘yeah, we know it distresses you women and girls, but we are not going to stop!’

The difference is remarkable! And very very male. You claim your male friends don’t act like males, I would watch carefully over time if I was you. You may not find it stays that way.