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Hepwo · 06/07/2023 00:02

Boiledbeetle · 05/07/2023 23:57

I do find myself wondering why i went through all that shit for so many years to ensure that the next generation of women had it easier. I wasnt expecting them to rip up all those hard won rights in one generation before they even know what they are giving away.

I said it on another thread that they have absolutely no idea about the homophobic and sexist origins of transgender laws and think it's a new and shiny thing, not the hideous sexist past rearing up again.

They have been comprehensively manipulated.

It's very old men that started this. Sexist homophobic men. And they are cheerleaders for them. Sad.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:02

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:01

So after that entire reply all the detail I tried to put in and all you can comment is "don't use the term cisgender". I'm not going to be woke and follow your set word list just because you tell me to. It's not a slur in the dictionary, if it becomes one I will stop using it. As said before. If it was a slur I would have been banned of mumsnet by now anyway

As you seem to have missed it again

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography?

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?

And one more time do not CIS on this board

RealityFan · 06/07/2023 00:04

DialSquare · 05/07/2023 23:55

The first being Tottenham Hotspur winning the Premiership, of course

I thought you were a reality fan!

Ya got me there.

MavisMcMinty · 06/07/2023 00:05

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:01

So after that entire reply all the detail I tried to put in and all you can comment is "don't use the term cisgender". I'm not going to be woke and follow your set word list just because you tell me to. It's not a slur in the dictionary, if it becomes one I will stop using it. As said before. If it was a slur I would have been banned of mumsnet by now anyway

If you continue to use it when you have been asked/told not to by several posters then it can be considered a slur. I am not cis, I am a woman. I need no qualifying prefixes, thank you.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:06

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:01

So after that entire reply all the detail I tried to put in and all you can comment is "don't use the term cisgender". I'm not going to be woke and follow your set word list just because you tell me to. It's not a slur in the dictionary, if it becomes one I will stop using it. As said before. If it was a slur I would have been banned of mumsnet by now anyway

And the only reason you are still here cising all over the place and not deleted is because none of us have reported you for it.

YET.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:09

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 00:02

I said it on another thread that they have absolutely no idea about the homophobic and sexist origins of transgender laws and think it's a new and shiny thing, not the hideous sexist past rearing up again.

They have been comprehensively manipulated.

It's very old men that started this. Sexist homophobic men. And they are cheerleaders for them. Sad.

It's frightening how misguided and ill informed they are. It's a disaster waiting to happen on so many fronts. They are going to be a deeply troubled, mutilated, medicated and very angry and depressed group for the rest of their lives.

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:12

Helleofabore · 05/07/2023 23:59

Did you understand the part hepwo pointed out?

That women’s shelters and groups are being forced by lobby groups and by stonewall champion local governments to force only ‘inclusive’ shelters and groups! The law is too loose because it allows outside organizations to force the providers through funding and other support to remove female only options.

Sarah Summer’s group had a men’s group, a LGBTQ group and a women’s group. The women’s group became mixed sex because a male came and made women uncomfortable. Sarah complained and asked for a female only group in addition. She was then removed from support altogether!

You seem to think that the EA is providing adequate support? What the fuck do you think we have been campaigning for?

Sorry you are right I did skim read that so my response is a bit lacking you make a good point.
I think JK Rowling and Women's Aid are doing that now right?
Thing is this is something I would stand with you on but I can't because of all the other shit mixed in this broth. I can't justify supporting single sex shelter spaces whilst also justifying the segregation and dehumanisation of Trans Women and Trans Men. Don't say this rhetoric isn't dehumanising either. Framing all Trans women as potential predators and Trans Men as infantile adults unable to make the right choices is not what I want to waste my time on

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 00:12

Yes, we are actually considerate of your youthful cissing at us like a snake and are hoping you might listen and stop it rather than get you banned for it.

We have kids your age, we know the score.

And actually you are supporting single sex services despite your bluster about us being concrete heads.

You agree with us! See, you can see sense when it's spelled out.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:13

” I just think the debate around other areas of life that cannot really be controlled without staring at someones genitals like toilets and changing rooms wont work and the energy should be focused on GN spaces instead of ignoring the problem until everything turns to shit. “

You are still repeating programmed tropish answers. Before males accessed female single sex spaces on the guise of being women, we didn’t need to check genitals. It worked really well.

You seem very transphobic in saying that transitioned males would not respect female single sex spaces if it was made legislation. Or do you know something we don’t know?

You keep searching for a magic new solution. There isn’t any we haven’t suggested. None are acceptable to those male people.

Honestly, I keep telling you how lucky you are that you have never used a toilet for anything else but urinating and defecating. There were so many days when I had a fully laden pram with screaming baby stuck in a doorway while dealing with flooding periods (like you cannot imagine!). Tell me, should I have had to have any male walk past the open door?

How the fuck do you think ‘gender neutral’ toilets deal with reality? Or do you think mothers have help and assistance and that that never happens? well, it also happens the other way. Taking my elderly mother to the toilet to clean her up when there are no disabled toilets. (It does happen). Moving her from wheelchair to toilet and I can’t move the wheelchair out because she needs me. Does she deserve dignity and privacy of only female people around ?

I have had friends have miscarriages in toilets. I have had to clean my clothes of blood, baby vomit and spilled food and dry those clothes while in underwear.

Do you really understand the need for those toilets you dismiss? You know, to have discussions about the issues you feel are ‘bigger’?

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 00:13

Framing all Trans women as potential predators

Does having single sex services frame all men as preditors too?

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:16

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 00:12

Yes, we are actually considerate of your youthful cissing at us like a snake and are hoping you might listen and stop it rather than get you banned for it.

We have kids your age, we know the score.

And actually you are supporting single sex services despite your bluster about us being concrete heads.

You agree with us! See, you can see sense when it's spelled out.

I agree with you on a couple of things. I don't support self ID, especially for sexual predators. I think women's shelters should have the option for cisgender facilities but that's it.

There is no consideration for others around you and you treat Trans Women as Men and I can't get with that. I know 3 Trans Women as I said and I find it impossible to see them as men. They act nothing like my other male friends.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:18

@Helleofabore I witnessed a young girl, she was only about 14, 15 give birth in public toilets many years ago.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:18

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:12

Sorry you are right I did skim read that so my response is a bit lacking you make a good point.
I think JK Rowling and Women's Aid are doing that now right?
Thing is this is something I would stand with you on but I can't because of all the other shit mixed in this broth. I can't justify supporting single sex shelter spaces whilst also justifying the segregation and dehumanisation of Trans Women and Trans Men. Don't say this rhetoric isn't dehumanising either. Framing all Trans women as potential predators and Trans Men as infantile adults unable to make the right choices is not what I want to waste my time on

So one shelter that Joanne Rowling has set up and one other organization, and you declare this issue what, resolved?

Hey wims…. Anyone of you in need, just fly up to Edinburgh and go to Beiras!

Do you think it will work?

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:19

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:16

I agree with you on a couple of things. I don't support self ID, especially for sexual predators. I think women's shelters should have the option for cisgender facilities but that's it.

There is no consideration for others around you and you treat Trans Women as Men and I can't get with that. I know 3 Trans Women as I said and I find it impossible to see them as men. They act nothing like my other male friends.

CIS

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:19

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:18

@Helleofabore I witnessed a young girl, she was only about 14, 15 give birth in public toilets many years ago.

That is so tragic boiled. My heart aches that that happened to her.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:20

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:16

I agree with you on a couple of things. I don't support self ID, especially for sexual predators. I think women's shelters should have the option for cisgender facilities but that's it.

There is no consideration for others around you and you treat Trans Women as Men and I can't get with that. I know 3 Trans Women as I said and I find it impossible to see them as men. They act nothing like my other male friends.

And

As you seem to have missed it again

Are you going to admit you screwed up when you used the term child pornography?

Do you understand how deeply disgusting it is to use that description?

Do you accept yet that the ongoing effects to the children in the images is life long?

Do you accept yet that those images are produced for men to wank off to?

Do you accept yet that during the making of those images children will be sexually assaulted raped and sometimes even murdered? Forced to have sex with animals? I could go on?

And one more time do not CIS on this board

Hepwo · 06/07/2023 00:21

There is no consideration for others around you and you treat Trans Women as Men and I can't get with that. I know 3 Trans Women as I said and I find it impossible to see them as men. They act nothing like my other male friends.

You can treat your friends how you want can't you. I have a trans friend and I don't insult him but we both know he's a man.

Anyway we're talking about law and equality not individuals, the law can't be used to discriminate against women. It has to balance rights when they come into conflict.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:22

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:19

That is so tragic boiled. My heart aches that that happened to her.

I know she had been in hospital the week before with stomach pains and no one had realised she was pregnant the poor sod.

Her dad was outside and when someone went to get him He just fainted and slid down the wall.

It was a very strange day!

grannysbay · 06/07/2023 00:23

Do your friends use the toilets according to their natal sex? If not, are they aware that their presence makes it impossible for women of certain religious and cultural groups to use these facilities?

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:24

evieowlette · 06/07/2023 00:16

I agree with you on a couple of things. I don't support self ID, especially for sexual predators. I think women's shelters should have the option for cisgender facilities but that's it.

There is no consideration for others around you and you treat Trans Women as Men and I can't get with that. I know 3 Trans Women as I said and I find it impossible to see them as men. They act nothing like my other male friends.

Back to stereotypes I see.

I have have many friends , both male and female, and guess what. They are all unique individuals!

Your transitioned male friends are unique. They are still not female. Sure they don’t act like your male friends, so what? Treat them like the unique people they are. But they are not female and don’t expect any other woman or girl to treat them like female people. That is your decision and yours alone.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:26

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:22

I know she had been in hospital the week before with stomach pains and no one had realised she was pregnant the poor sod.

Her dad was outside and when someone went to get him He just fainted and slid down the wall.

It was a very strange day!

That is even worse. The toilets, without medical assistance for a teen pregnancy and first pregnancy and she didn’t even know! I hope she was ok and the baby too. Lucky she had some wonderful women there.

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:28

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:26

That is even worse. The toilets, without medical assistance for a teen pregnancy and first pregnancy and she didn’t even know! I hope she was ok and the baby too. Lucky she had some wonderful women there.

The last i saw mother and very vocal baby were on a stretcher on their way to get checked out

HorribleNecktie · 06/07/2023 00:29

It may astonish you to know that some of us don’t actually give a shit if transwomen get sad feelings when people correctly treat them as male and refer them to male facilities and out of the women only spaces.

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:29

There is no consideration for others around you

The hypocrisy is rife here. You have dismissed child sex abuse. Doubled down on dismissing it. Talked over a child sex abuse victim calling you out over your dismissal, and continued to ignore her.

Yet, you talk about consideration for these male friends of yours?

Helleofabore · 06/07/2023 00:31

Boiledbeetle · 06/07/2023 00:28

The last i saw mother and very vocal baby were on a stretcher on their way to get checked out

A healthy baby! Well sounds like a happy ending for that day. It would be rather traumatic to deal with.

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