To ask everyone who has heard of using pronouns to watch this?

[Moomoola]

its a worthwhile introduction/ explanation of what’s going on that I’ve found. Please watch it - and post your responses. It may also be very worthwhile checking what’s going on in your child’s school - if they’re not in hols!
thank you!

A very clear explanation from dr grossman.

I ask you to ignore the Nat Con signs - they are not relevant to what she is saying, which doesn’t mention politics, and is purely about the medicalisation of children, and listen.

lets debate the content of her report.

Thank you backstreets, I agree with this.

here is the link - helps if I post it! please listen - and as I said, ignore the nat con signs - they have nothing to do with the content of her report which does not mention politics at all - but doe mention, clearly, the harm of medicalisation. I will be looking for non political videos, as obviously politics is a fabulous misdirection. Im hoping to find ‘introduction’ videos that I can post on regular boards., that can explain without sounding insane- as this stuff does when you first come across it. If anyone has any favorites, please let me know. thank you!

thanks to epople who have posted links already - really appreciated. and to the comments that are helpful.
I think it's something when as backstreets said, to post outside the feminism board is brave.

HOW did it get to this?

Can you really, seriously not understand that agreeing with someone that genderism is harmful (or that humans cannot change sex) does not make me agree with all or any of their other opinions? It does not make me support their overall politics or their activities. It does not make me take any action in their favour.

It simply means we agree on one thing. And when that one thing is blindingly obvious, probably most of the world agrees.

Bumping with Megyn Kelly's latest interview. I haven't listened but she starts about 4 minutes in.

Oh thanks, that was an amazing interview! Nearly two hours long but I could listen to Helen Joyce all day and all night. I had just decided I MUST go to bed when I saw your post and clicked play… now it’s 06.30 and I’m finally in bed. Well worth a watch.

I've not watched the interview but before I do can anyone tell me if by the end Helen Joyce has been brainwashed into being a racist and a white supremacist?

Thanks for posting.

No, @nauticant . Helen Joyce sounds like a person concerned with human’s rights. Concerned with children’s rights to actually develop naturally into human adults.
Basic stuff, I would say.

I think she passed the litmus test. Phew!

So, I listened as well... I am now looking forward to posters who come and tell us what it is that Megyn Kelly has said, in this video, and specifically in this video, that they disagree with.

Oh...no.... have I been brainwashed and influenced? Please wims keep checking on me for the next months to make sure. One can't be too careful.

I've watched it now, it's long but I found myself engaged enough to listen to the whole thing in one sitting. I've never been a fan of Megyn Kelly's and I never would have guessed she'd be the one to take this up, good for her!

But poor Sarah was only expressing the community's anger 'hypothetically'.

DARVO.

Does the MRA (male supremacist) movement remotely resemble anything you've ever seen on the 'progressive' left?

Me, neither.

But it does show some marked similarities with the (censorious, sexist, homophobic) old right.

The left/right distinction barely exists in any meaningful sense anymore - it's just lazy ideological compartmentalization. To accept or reject ideas based on what area of the political spectrum they happen to come from is a shortcut to actually thinking.

This smearing of feminism with the alt right accusation isn't new. It's been a concerted effort for some time. Along with a more recent one determinedly associating FWR with white supremacism. Coincidence?

I've done some searching around Megyn Kelly, including videos of her alleged racism. I'd never heard of her before. She sounds a horror. I don't for one minute stand with those views, nor with the covert homophobia she demonstrated in the opening minutes of that footage. (I saw the whole thing. I will not be told what I can and cannot watch).

I hold views that are certainly GC - doesn't mean I 'align' with or share the views of every other GC person. I admire KJK's courage in the face of bullying and intimidation; I strongly disagree with some of her assertions. Megyn Kelly's white supremacism and misogynistic views I find nothing short of disgusting - to the point that I question her motivation in standing for women's rights as eloquently as she does in this video when she's made numerous anti-women points I find nothing short of thoroughly offensive. (Likewise Maureen Lipman and Jilly Cooper, who told women off for making a lot of fuss about nothing surrounding #MeToo. That noise can get to fuck.

Nonetheless, she's articulate and persuasive and I agree with most of what she has to say on this footage. It's an infantile, no-shades-of-grey lookout that it's mandatory to agree with every word someone says or none, and if they once utter a questionable comment, it's necessary to dismiss them on every other basis. A four-year-old child can reason this out.

But that's the strategy. The utter lack of nuance that's sprung up with the MRA/TRAs is interesting. They can't all be stupid - I know a good number who are highly intelligent - yet they can't argue a coherent case. 280 characters per tweet doesn't allow for much detail or variation: it's also an effective means of closing down (inconvenient) debate.

It’s the stopped watch thing, sometimes it tells the right time, but you wouldn’t want to rely on it to catch the right train.

What would you want to rely on it for?

What a great episode. Helen Joyce is so fantastic. So clear, so calm, so righteous.

And while I stopped watching Megyn as I disagree with a lot of her other views and people she chooses to platform, I really really do enjoy her rage on this subject. You can hear her scoff when they're playing the Rachel Levine clip ha ha. Wish Megyn would have replied when Helen pointed out the American political polarization though, she just went mm and changed the subject...