Page 9 | Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 17:48

ArabeIIaScott · 26/06/2023 17:43

This thread easily disproves your assertion.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4822450-aibu-to-think-this-is-absolutely-disgusting-and-unecessary

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So that depends - are you claiming that the posters on this thread were all active on that one?

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 17:50

sanluca · 26/06/2023 17:41

sunbathing and sauna habits across much of Europe

Nudity with regard to sunbathing and sauna is based on consent and confined to clear signed spaces and areas. Do you really think you can strip nude on a beach anywhere you like where non nude people and kids are? No, you would be arrested. You go to nudity beach or a sauna where nudity is the norm. If you go to the sauna when it is bathing suit day and strip you will be removed.

Seriously, stop trying to make out Europe is this 'where everything goes' place. It is not. It is about age and consent and laws are there to stop people flashing unsuspecting people.

So this isn’t universally true but even if it were you are saying parents can essentially consent on their child’s behave to be around non-sexualised naked adults?

I mean I agree - they can. But if a parent can bring their child to a beach where nudity is permitted, why would you be outraged that they bring them to a parade where nudity is permitted?

ArabeIIaScott · 26/06/2023 17:56

Backpedalling while nude cycling must be quite tricky. You'd be wary of getting caught in your own bollocks, surely.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 26/06/2023 18:00

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 17:47

Still nearly there. Why do you think there’s lots of mumsnet outrage about gay naked cyclists but not straight naked cyclists?

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Hmmm
Couldn't be because Pride is a huge worldwide phenomenon and the naked bike ride you are going on about is a small local event that no one in the UK has ever heard of?

Could it?

And just to be clear, no one - not one poster on this thread has said that one is ok but not the other. NOT ONE.

Talk about a straw man argument.

Ofcourseshecan · 26/06/2023 18:02

Badbudgeter · 25/06/2023 00:26

I’m happy to support the LGB community. I’m not overly interested in supporting a bunch of straight blokes with their kinks.

Same here. Seems to have little to do with gay rights these days, least of all lesbians’.

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 18:10

MistyGreenAndBlue · 26/06/2023 18:00

Hmmm
Couldn't be because Pride is a huge worldwide phenomenon and the naked bike ride you are going on about is a small local event that no one in the UK has ever heard of?

Could it?

And just to be clear, no one - not one poster on this thread has said that one is ok but not the other. NOT ONE.

Talk about a straw man argument.

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The World Naked Bike Ride is not a tiny local event. The clue is in the name.

Yet again - proving the point. Thousands of naked people cycle in the UK each year and no one heard of it. A couple of dozen gay people cycled naked thousands of miles away in Seattle and it’s a Daily Mail article and mumsnet is up in arms about it.

You can keep pretending this isn’t a double standard but it very obviously is.

sanluca · 26/06/2023 18:12

But if a parent can bring their child to a beach where nudity is permitted, why would you be outraged that they bring them to a parade where nudity is permitted?

I was pointing out that your argument about nudist spaces and areas in Europe was incorrect, not expressing outrage.

Sauna visits are banned for kids until usually 16. And nude beaches, most people will warn you never to take your kids as a. they end up on the internet and b. there is too much sexual activity there. So whilst theoretically legal, it is very much frowned upon. Sounds familiar?

sanluca · 26/06/2023 18:13

And the World Naked Bike is a. a licenced event, b. Announced so people can avoid and c. not sexualised.

Sorry, but your comparisments fall flat and are not very convincing.

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Moonandstarzz · 26/06/2023 18:16

ArabeIIaScott · 26/06/2023 17:56

Backpedalling while nude cycling must be quite tricky. You'd be wary of getting caught in your own bollocks, surely.

😁😂@ArabeIIaScott you're on fire this evening ✋

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TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 18:16

sanluca · 26/06/2023 18:12

But if a parent can bring their child to a beach where nudity is permitted, why would you be outraged that they bring them to a parade where nudity is permitted?

I was pointing out that your argument about nudist spaces and areas in Europe was incorrect, not expressing outrage.

Sauna visits are banned for kids until usually 16. And nude beaches, most people will warn you never to take your kids as a. they end up on the internet and b. there is too much sexual activity there. So whilst theoretically legal, it is very much frowned upon. Sounds familiar?

Which part of Europe are you specifically referencing?

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 18:17

sanluca · 26/06/2023 18:13

And the World Naked Bike is a. a licenced event, b. Announced so people can avoid and c. not sexualised.

Sorry, but your comparisments fall flat and are not very convincing.

Pride is a licensed event, and announced in advance.

There was nothing sexualised about these naked cyclists.

Froodwithatowel · 26/06/2023 18:18

SinnerBoy · 26/06/2023 17:46

Ah, so 86% of us are homophobic bigots. Now I get it.

Including those of us who are homosexual themselves.

Basically hand over your kids to adults with their kit off and shut up. Because you can have no acceptable reason to hesitate.

Gosh this is all so very very familiar.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 26/06/2023 18:21

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 18:10

The World Naked Bike Ride is not a tiny local event. The clue is in the name.

Yet again - proving the point. Thousands of naked people cycle in the UK each year and no one heard of it. A couple of dozen gay people cycled naked thousands of miles away in Seattle and it’s a Daily Mail article and mumsnet is up in arms about it.

You can keep pretending this isn’t a double standard but it very obviously is.

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Cobblers! One person on one thread - a thread ABOUT PRIDE - mentioned it. Hardly the whole of Mumsnet. And that person has clarified that they don't agree with children being present at the "straight" ride either.

Maybe you might have a point about the media coverage of these respective events, (I admit I misunderstood that it was a worldwide event as Pride is) but it's ridiculous and unfair to cast the whole of Mumsnet as a hotbed of homophobia because they hadn't heard of it and therefore are not discussing it.
If you think it should be in the papers, go shout at them.

namitynamechange · 26/06/2023 18:26

I live in the Netherlands which probably has a much more relaxed attitude towards bodies etc than the UK. There are health spas/saunas which are mixed sex and where swimming costumes etc aren't allowed. But these are adult only or at least have an age limit. Mostly because people don't want a bunch of small children running around what is meant to be a relaxing experience. Also because normal adults don't want to be naked around young children they aren't related to. And normal parents wouldn't consider their children seeing a load of naked strangers an important part of their social development.

RufustheSpecuIatingreindeer · 26/06/2023 18:26

I’m not commenting on naked bike riding…sounds a bit uncomfortable

going back to the OP, apparently Portsmouth pride was quieter than usual but southampton is supposed be just as big as ever

so I can absolutely see that depending on where you live the turnout maybe different…it’ll be interesting to see how southampton goes

namitynamechange · 26/06/2023 18:28

Also, there are unspoken social conventions in those places which involve NOT looking at other peoples bits and not being exhibitionist about your own nudity either.

And yes, countries like Korea etc do have mixed age spas including children. But those are single sex.

DemiColon · 26/06/2023 18:30

TeaKlaxon · 26/06/2023 16:21

Why are you falsely claiming that the nudity of these cyclists is sexualised?

Why are you claiming it is about the 'sexual liscentiousness' of men, when the group of cyclists included women?

Why are you not objecting to other naked cycling events?

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I didn't say anything about cyclists. We are talking about an event centering on sexuality.

sanluca · 26/06/2023 18:36

Which part of Europe are you specifically referencing?

Netherlands, Belgium, Germany. I don't know of nudist beaches in Scandinavian countries, but Denmark and Finland have either segregated by sex or no children or mandatory swimwear.
Nudist campings in France were usually ok but not sure how family friendly they are nowadays. I ended up at a nudist/gay beach in Spain a couple of months ago by accident which made me laugh but my kids didn't appreciate it even though it was extremely tame compared to Pride parades. We left as the kids were extremely uncomfortable.

DemiColon · 26/06/2023 18:36

Nude biking in any case is not as big a deal as Pride.

I think it is sexualized, somewhat - it is meant to shock people's sensibilities, and skate close to the edge of the law in some places.

In any case, if it isn't sexualized, it's really not a good comparison, is it?

strawberrywhisk · 26/06/2023 18:37

I've seen more than one thread on here against nudist events including children, there was one about one set in a swimming baths, not sure where, people were going apeshit

sanluca · 26/06/2023 18:38

There was nothing sexualised about these naked cyclists.

My point being that the bike ride is not sexualised but Pride is and that is what most people object to and why your comparisment doesn't work.

Letmespeak82 · 26/06/2023 19:53

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 00:16

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

Dublin Pride was absolutely massive this year. Where did you get the idea it was poorly attended?

Helleofabore · 26/06/2023 20:08

strawberrywhisk · 26/06/2023 18:37

I've seen more than one thread on here against nudist events including children, there was one about one set in a swimming baths, not sure where, people were going apeshit

Yes. Was it the event was open to children and adults but parents were not allowed to be in the pool watching their children?

Because that would be a massive safeguarding red flag right there!

SinnerBoy · 26/06/2023 20:46

*TeaKlaxon · Today 17:47

Still nearly there. Why do you think there’s lots of mumsnet outrage about gay naked cyclists but not straight naked cyclists?

Because they happen to be the ones pushing sexualised nudity at children, which you think is fine, good and harmless.

SinnerBoy · 26/06/2023 20:50

Froodwithatowel · Today 18:18

Including those of us who are homosexual themselves.

A Quisling, eh? Off to the re-education camp for you!