Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

[Moonandstarzz]

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

I think if we are talking about an adults-only kind of festival, it would mean really rethinking venues and maybe times.

Closing whole public streets or parks, and parades in the daylight hours, are maybe not the thing.

In the past when you had sex-oriented events they were typically at enclosed venues of some kind, like a conference center or more private park with restricted access.

Of course we now see adults will bring their kids to these kinds of events as well, which just shows that some people have no sense of what's appropriate.

Any evidence that the 'majority' of lesbian, gay and bi people no longer feel the need to 'push the agenda'?

But this is a pretty good example of homophobic double standards.

I also don't think straight people should be naked at children's events. Or dressed as pups, furries or in any other fetish outfit. And I don't think that children should be at naked adult events.

A week or two earlier, there was another naked bike ride in Seattle. One that has occurred for the past forty years. How many posts have you seen condemning that? But when gay people are involved, suddenly it's a problem. Do you see any double standards there?

If you don't mind the observation, I think you're an incredibly obtuse person. I don't care if adults are naked at a naked adult event. But I don't think that children should be at a naked adult event. I cannot understand how you perceive a double standard there.

What is inherently inappropriate about a non-sexualised naked body?

And if you think there is something inherently inappropriate, can you direct us to your concerns about the inappropriateness of the World Naked Bike Ride, or sunbathing and sauna habits across much of Europe?

Or is it just inappropriate if the naked person is gay?

What do you think distinguishes a child seeing a naked body when they see the World Naked Bike Ride compared to when they see these cyclists at a Pride parade?

Both are public, daylight hour events which children can and do witness.

Last time I encountered a naked bike ride (the annual London one) I was coming out of Hamleys with DS and some of his friends and they were coming down Regent Street and a group of them stopped outside the toy store (I think to watch the entertainers they have outside). The kids were howling with laughter, but no thanks.

I’m Scottish. We don’t do public nudity so much up there and I don’t want to see wee willies (for it was mainly chubby men) flapping in the breeze. So many Boris Bikes too. Hope they cleaned the seats.

I think if we are talking about an adults-only kind of festival, it would mean really rethinking venues and maybe times.

Maybe, I don't know. I don't think that taking over the streets for one afternoon a year for a party is a problem, really. Just as long as the organisers understand that if it involves nutity or fetishism, it's not a family event and you shouldn't encourage family participation and if you want to make it a family event, you need genitals covered and no fetish gear.

Closing whole public streets or parks, and parades in the daylight hours, are maybe not the thing.

As I say, it's only once a year, it shouldn't be so much of a big deal for a few hours. Maybe once the after five activities start, it might be time to bring it to a designated place.

We could reasonably ask, what is this kind of nudity about?

Public baths which are common in some places aren't typically sexual. People who live in the jungle where clothes rot, so they don't, aren't sexual.

Arguably, naked bike rides aren't about sex. Arguably they are, they are about pushing the envelope. But maybe some might say not so much.

Why would there be nudity at a festival that's centered around sexuality? I would suggest it's about sex.

You are fixated on this bike ride. I have said that I don't think events with naked adults are suitable for children. Admittedly, I haven't listed all the possible naked adult events. You may take it as read that I don't think any naked adult events should have child spectators, including, but not limited to, naked bike riding.

@TeaKlaxon in Ireland it falls under indecent exposure & is illegal.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/law-on-public-indecent-exposure/26696631.html#:~:text=Under%20Section%2018%2C%20%22any%20person,for%20up%20to%20six%20months%22.

... why would anyone be non sexually naked at a Pride event in front of children for innocent purposes? What would they be doing and why?

Are we saying that no one should ever use the word inappropriate about adults behaviour in front of children because to do so is homophobic?

Which would mean by extension that being inappropriate and lacking normal boundaries is an integral part of being homosexual?

Because it's not. I promise you. Being gay does not fuck up your boundaries or affect your sense of social responsibility in any way. It sounds more to me like trying to weaponise homosexual people and the word homophobia to make people stop pointing out inappropriate and unacceptable behaviours.

It's not really working.

Anyway yes so the point being - the annual London makes cycle cyclists weren’t acting in a sexual way, didn’t make sexual comments /chants, jiggle their boobs, twerk, simulate sex, or wear bondage gear/gags/doggy masks, carry whips… Ive never seen children on the rides either (definitely in the older side).

They looked like your common or garden nudists (that we would giggle at as children in those ‘health and fitness’ films you’d see in the 70s).

Why do you need to guess?

Why not just find out? Why not do some research about Seattle and the Fremont Solstice Festival. Not everything about Pride is about sex (another homophobic trope) and there is nothing inherently sexualised about a naked human body.

Why is it that you think there is significant discussion of this non-sexualised nudity by gay men and women (now who's erasing women!) but not about the very many other instances around the world every year?

Are you seeing yet that there is an inherent propensity to try to link gay people to grooming, paedophilia etc, such that the exact same behaviour in the exact same context at an event not specifically for LGBT+ people will not even raise an eyebrow, but when gays do it, suddenly it's subject to lots of discussion and condemnation.

I think the TQ+ are trying to link themselves to the LGB community. LGB are accepted in society and the TQ+ want some of that

@Plunkplink don't forget about the furries!

I've never been to a Pride event yet am as supportive, if not more, LGBT+ people/rights than a lot of folk I know. I stand for the idea of Pride - so be proud and be you, but not necessarily the whole colourful parade aspect. I respect that others might feel that they need to do that though, and that's ok too.

You know that Irish law doesn't apply in Seattle right?

Also, separately, you're wrong about the law. The law was changed in 2017.

It's really quite simple.

There is nothing inherently about the human body. There is no evidence, indication or even claim that these cyclists were doing anything other than marching or cycling. No sexualised activity at all.

So here's the thing, if you think that's inappropriate when gays do it at Pride, but fine with straight people do it on a beach in Germany or at the Solstice Festival a week earlier in Seattle, yes, that is homophobic. Because you're applying different standards to the exact same actions depending on whether they are carried out by gay people or not.

Not really, no. I am suspicious of any adult who does nudity in front of children. I'm sure there are lots of naked events all over the word and I haven't mentioned any of them other than the one under discussion right now. You can make an exhaustive list of all naked adult events to which children are expected to be present, and I won't agree with any of them.

I don't know why you've bolded women there, my post clearly refers to adults. Most people understand that women can be adults too, just like men!

Boundaries around nudity and sexuality in the presence of children exist for good reason. Any adult who is careless about those boundaries is either a complete idiot or very sinister. Crossing those lines is never, never intended to be in the interests of children.

In what way were the Seattle cyclists acting in a sexual way, making sexual comments/chants, jiggling their boobs, twerk, simulate sex or wearing bondage gear/gags/doggy masks?

Bearing in mind that these are identifiable people and you're making some pretty provably false and defamatory claims about them...

You've just admitted the double standards though.

You object to all other events with naked people. But not enough to ever post about them. It's only when the gays are involved that you care enough to post about it.

Of course we all know why there's a Daily Mail article about these cyclists and not the Solstice Festival ones, don't we. Could you hazard a guess?

So children should be exposed to nudity from adults cos it's all good?

And there is no difference between adults nude sunbathing and adults exposing children to nudity and inappropriate behaviour in a Pride parade?

Again you're trying to use homosexuality as a magic wand to switch off normal rules and standards. We spent decades getting the general public to cope with the idea that being gay didn't mean a lack of appropriacy or social boundaries. This really isn't helping, is it? And it's kind of why the American hard right are starting to lump everyone in and say that LGB and TQ people ALL need to stop being accepted, because TQ have pushed it that 'being inappropriate/naked/kink/using non consenting others in sexual experiences' cannot possibly be separated from wholly unrelated innocent situations and is homophobic. This is going to end public tolerance for LGB.

Adults are not going to be harmed by requesting that they don't expose themselves at children's events. Requiring them to keep their clothes on in public places that are not specifically nude events is not harmful.

I've never heard of these other events to post about them. I'm not seeking it out. I have never googled a list of naked adult events to which parents bring children. But no matter what they are, I don't think it's right. I really do think I've been clear on that point and I don't know how you don't understand this, or why you think I am in any way answerable for what the daily mail prints.

I'm not guessing.

Pride is an event about sexuality, which is about sex. Not everything related to it is necessarily overtly sexual, or kid inappropriate, but nudity at Pride, or men in tiny cock-socks, or fetish stuff, absolutely is sexual nudity.