Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

[Moonandstarzz]

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

Oxford Street in central London is festooned with Pride flags. I saw it on the BBC so it must be true. Everything they say is true! Don't forget the annual No Trousers day on the tube, is that under any umbrella?
secretldn.com/no-trousers-on-the-tube-london/

https://www.thesun.ie/news/10935640/parents-teachers-warned-schoolkids-furries/

It appears to have kicked off a bit at our local Pride yesterday. Almost wished I’d been there.

No, it isn't meant kindly. You're being sly and passive agressive.

I'd suggest the poster who ignores actual evidence and who uses multiple usernames to post the same articles about furries and pride across a number of forums and threads might be the one who has a slight issue.

Actually was being kind. Never mind.

So you say.

In which case you'll have no problem telling me in what way the specific group we're discussing here - the naked cyclists in Seattle - were acting in a sexualised way.

Unless you think nudity in itself is inherently sexualised, but by that logic, all the other events I mentioned are also sexualised.

Well it does seem like exhibitionism

Ive seen ourlady post before

she wasn’t being sly, it’s hard on here sometimes to see when someone is being genuine

How many countries participate in the World Series?

What is there to celebrate? you are who you are why do you need a medal/parade/ticker-tape fanfare? just get on with it

Pride was a defiant politocal protest. Should there be nothing to protest anymore, what does it become?

A big jolly old party where anything goes. Anyone complains and they are nasty old right wing ‘phobics who deserve a punch on the nose…

Think of St Patrick Day celebrations/parades - they’ve got bigger and better each year. It’s a day to have a big party regardless of your origins/family.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, Baby. It's a party that must be celebrated lest one be threatened with slurs and violence?

Public nudity is pretty accepted in many places. In Germany, it's really common for kids to see sunbathers naked.

they see naked people in places where nudity is allowed/expected.
Not cycling down the street willy-nilly (pun intended)

I am pretty sick and tired of this trope that we Germans are constantly naked. There are FKK (nude) beaches, lakeside swimming places, saunas, campsites, etc etc, but they are clearly signposted, well known and not sexual. Sexual behaviour in those places in public is strictly frowned on, moreso than PDAs in other places.

you don't know it's only straight people getting nude in German nudist areas though.

Isn't it 10% of the population are gay? (I have no idea and I literally don't care if people are gay or straight so I CBA to check). That would make the probability of one in 10 of the nudists also being gay.

Nudist areas aren't in any way about sexuality or anything sex-adjacent. They are about nature and being as nature intended. Pride is literally pride in your sexuality or your nature and a lot of it (don't even try to deny it, it is also fine at a pride event) and therefore any nakedness is tied to that. It is disingenuous (at best) to try to fob it off.

FWIW: women can go topless in Germany anywhere men can. (or maybe in some states, i don't care for it, for me, so i didn't listen). Nakedness is not related to sex - until it is.

Same with Everyone in France is cool with mixed toilets in bars and cafés. No, they aren't - those toilets are rank - we just have to put up with them because most small cafés (as here) don't have room for two separate loos. I can promise you that every woman in France has encountered disgusting mixed toilets, blokes with their dicks out who don't bother to close the door (or sometimes no door for urinals in older places), and that French women think mixed toilets are just as gross and sometimes unsafe, as a British woman on holiday in France does.

Assuming that French women are fine with them, just because they exist, is like assuming that Brits are fine with gridlock on the M25 or sky-high petrol prices.

There is nothing quite like walking past a man with their dick out at a urinal while on the way to a toilet in some places in France. I cannot imagine it is comfortable for anyone.

Yet, we are constantly seeing posters (in general ) declare it is wonderfully accepted.

honestly though - can you try to be a tad more patronising?

Don't be disingenuous. People talk about what they know about, and they talk about the topic of a thread (at least to start with)

You can start threads any time you like about any number of other naked events and people will add their comments.

but. You are conflating things then getting (patronisingly) outraged when people point that out to you (naked is ok; pride is linked to homosexuality)

You're shit-stirring, and not good at it because literally nobody on this thread falls for bullshit.

Thanks Brefugee. We used to have a Swedish poster who also had to patiently explain that no, in Sweden, people don't all walk around naked in every swimming pool/sauna/Ikea in the land.

It drives me bloody crazy. Honestly i think some people in other countries think places like Germany, France and the Netherlands are a hotbed of naked people and wearing clothes is the exception.

Germany is pretty open about nudity, but most Germans i know would be shocked (not to say offended) if people thought it was sexual. It is the furthest thing from sexual and they will soon let you know if you're being inappropriate.

I was at a women's spa a few years ago and, knowing I'm (also) British the women there patiently and carefully explained that it is a "textile free" (ie. naked) sauna and not to wear swimmies because it gives the impression you have a hang up and thing nudity is bad, and that kind of insults the others. (side note: my American friend left a spa when she realised there would be naked women around her, not even any men, because she was brought up very prudishly. Nobody had a dig, and were very sorry to see her go because she was uncomfortable)

There are mixed saunas. They are self-policed and (i have heard from friends, i don't go to them) people will be thrown out for staring or inappropriate comments/behavour.

It will be interesting to see how the new rule about women being allowed to go topless at open-air pools, etc, kicks in.

Plus, even if these things were true about other countries, so what? There are huge cultural differences about nudity and personal care. In China, there are still some shared latrines - segregated by sex, but you can see everyone else of your sex using the (squat) toilet, and they can see you. In Islamic countries, on the other hand, women are not supposed to reveal their bodies from navel to knee, even to other women (unless for medical reasons etc).

What relevance do any of these other countries have to what women should be comfortable with in the UK?

In which case you'll have no problem telling me in what way the specific group we're discussing here - the naked cyclists in Seattle - were acting in a sexualised way.

I haven't made that claim, I haven't seen it.

Yes, exactly, MissLucy. Cultural mores and norms of behaviour, context and customs all matter.

It's one thing to question restrictive norms. It's quite another to undermine and flout them on purpose.

Bad manners, apart from anything else - like showing the soles of your feet in Tunisia. Someone might not see the point of that custom, but deliberately transgressing it is antisocial and provocative.