Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

[Moonandstarzz]

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

As far as whether homophobia is increasing: I am not really sure, I think it is difficult to pull apart several things going on.

Some is really people upset about some truly dodgy/crazy stuff, especially with gender ideology.

But also some of the other stuff that people feel is targeting kids that are really not age appropriate, or books that seem not age appropriate. They don't like their 10 and 11 year olds coming home saying they are lesbians after all the kids in the class end up in the lunch-time club for lgb students. Drag for kids, even when the parents had no issue with drag.

They also don't really like the whole message they are getting that being gay is all about this kind of hedonistic attitude to sex and anything goes.

i don't think people are really associating those things, besides the gender stuff, with any kind of "queer' theory. Many regular people who were very live and let live, but not involved directly or into activism, seem to feel like maybe they were hoodwinked a bit, or subject to a bait and switch, and actually, it may have been true all along that this is what homosexuality is about, or at least male homosexuality. And they are increasingly not caring when they are told they are homophobic to say or notice these things.

I think this may be a bigger problem for the gay male community to deal with if we are seeing what turns out to be something of a return to a more conservative approach to sex generally. By which I don't mean anti-gay specifically, but one which is not so keen on hedonistic approaches to sex.

And still so few rainbow flags at Glasto even though Elton John was on. Spotted only a couple. Definitely different.

@pues all the virtue signalling hipsters had their pride flags at Glastonbury not so long ago... The kool aid drinkers certainly know how to read a room, no room in the back pack for the aul pride flag this year!

*Interesting thread, my daughter at an all girls school and a few years ago over half identified as something on the rainbow, so much so that my daughter wanted to buy her own flag and chose identifying as 'asexual' many have quietly stopped all this, a few have remained trans but according to her and her friends they see less homophobia.

Or maybe they have all become tired of the talk about sexuality and have reverted back to being teens who want to talk about music and movies? It’s incredibly dull when all the teens all talk about is who’s what and when …

Id say in my daughters year there were a huge chunk of teens identifying as something and now they are all straight - they were hoodwinked and someone somewhere is responsible.

Is there similar pressure on gay men to sleep with transmen who are intact and present as male?

I'm a lesbian so I can't really speak to what gay men are experiencing behind the scenes, although in terms of the bullying and shaming and aggressive harassment, I think you'd have to look at who's doing the pressuring.

While natal males have always pressured women for sex regardless of whether they're gay or not (and obviously many see the lesbian thing as simply another challenge to overcome), often in aggressive and entitled ways, natal females haven't been socialised that way, and are physically more vulnerable than most of the men they'd seek to pressure into sex.

So it's to be expected that transwomen would be the most vocal on this issue, as that's what they know and how they've always behaved.

@Moonandstarzz
No longer cool to support unquestioningly those who push for the mutilation of children and erosion of women's rights.
LGB need to disassociate.

@pues that in a nutshell. The kool aid drinkers are waking up.
The young generation tweens to late teens are the ones who are renaging against this big time. And interestingly they are the first generation to have the ideologies shoved down their throats in school.
I know that video from the two girls has been circulating big time within that age group so hopefully we will see more & more exposures coming out from critical thinking teens.

So you keep saying, but I've seen no evidence of this poor turnout.

All of the photos I've seen indicate a turnout pretty similar to previous years. Any evidence of this supposed low turnout?

Don't you think that by constantly claiming that Dublin Pride had very poor showing, in spite of countless videos showing enormous crowds that you are being every bit as bad as Rory? There is absolutely no evidence that Dublin Pride was poorly attended compared to previous years. Maybe it was, but if there is nothing to support that claim, then you shouldn't be making it.

I don't like what Pride has become and I don't attend anymore but I'm well aware that I'm still in a minority. Especially as I don't like that I don't like it. I would very much like to still attend, I have lots of good memories of Pride and I still see a lot that I do like and would like to be a part of. I only don't because of the hijacking by trans activists. I know that most people aren't as utterly terminally online as I am so still aren't even aware of what is happening and don't equate Pride with the worst of trans activism even if they have reservations about prisons, sport and children's health.

I am not going to speculate on how many were or were not at Dublin Pride, but the photo images and crowd sizes reminded me of COVID times and the photos that were often taken then.

Pictures can lie. There are quite a few articles about this but this just one from BuzzFeed.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/joeydurso/coronavirus-social-distancing-lockdown-photos

I have been to Pride previously but now it’s all men doing woman face and others showing off their kinks I give it a swerve

Pride here was well attended (a smaller Pride, not a big city). It was family friendly, lots of shops and local businesses involved, and it was great.

Any response yet from Dublin Pride on their disgraceful history alterations?

@ArabeIIaScott I'm still waiting on RTÉ to report on it too🤔

They added a note under the photo on their website 🙄. Like if its so "obvious" that its doctored, why bother doing it?

" Note on image: This is a graphic that includes a couple of iconic images from different historical protests along with the obvious addition of a sign saying “Trans Rights Are Human Rights.”" https://dublinpride.ie/our-story/

@miri1985 pathetic, no ownership... Can't wait for the "furry rights are human rights" placards to pop up (as contradictory as that sounds)

The biggest change to Pride has been commercialisation. Pride thirty years ago would not have had lots of large employers, police forces, defence forces etc marching. There's a debate about whether that's a good thing or a bad thing but that is a separate issue.

The idea that drag queens or kink at Pride is new is nonsense. Drag has been a big part of pride going back at least thirty years. The leather community has been part of Pride for decades. Dykes on Bikes came in for the same sort of respectability policing we see here in the past.

All this nostalgia for something Pride never resembled is really odd.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12232815/Trans-rights-whistleblower-attacked-Pride-March-naked-men-bikes-ride-past-kids.html

This is awful.

Personally, I don't think children belong at pride at all. Clearly there are some men with niche interests such as being pups and nudey cycling who want to take part. Fine. But it should be clear from the organisers that it's not really a family friendly event. Corporate sponsorship has a bit of an issue in making things appear more family friendly than they necessarily are but it's not just a fun festival for everyone. It's for the people it's for and they should be left to it without people it's not for having to see that kind of thing.

Mind you, we all know that's going to happen so it's the stupid parents. Stupid, stupid parents who can't divorce what they consider cool (being like, a totally outspoken ally) and what is suitable for children (not pups, not leather chaps, not men cycling in the altogether).

Public nudity is pretty accepted in many places. In Germany, it's really common for kids to see sunbathers naked.

Seattle, as it turns out, has a long tradition of naked bike riding quite apart from Pride. Have you also started threads complaining about the Solstice Festival, where naked bike rides has been a thing in Seattle for nearly forty years?

Also, why are posters claiming that this was a group of men? When it is clear that it is a group of men and women.

Others before me won my right to marry my wife. I have only attended one Pride event, local to me. It wasn't about trans etc at that time, but it was the first time I've had homophobic abuse shouted at me. I hated it. I've experienced plenty of homophobia but not in this violent way.

I'm not complaining about it at all, I'm saying that it's not a child friendly event. To explain further, because it appears to be necessary, I don't think every event needs to be suitable for children. Pride is an example of an event that deals with an adult oriented area (sexuality) and the presence of children isn't necessary or appropriate. That doesn't mean it shouldn't happen, it means that parents need to have clearer boundaries and not bring their children to events that aren't meant to be for children.

That's arguable, but I certainly don't think the presence of people who are nude in a non-sexualised way in a city where public nudity is commonplace is evidence that Pride is not suitable for children.

But this is a pretty good example of homophobic double standards.

A week or two earlier, there was another naked bike ride in Seattle. One that has occurred for the past forty years. How many posts have you seen condemning that? But when gay people are involved, suddenly it's a problem. Do you see any double standards there?

The reality is that for the vast majority of lgb community members they have achieved what they set out to do and no longer feel they need to push the agenda. My brother hasn't been since marriage equality as he doesn't feel the need