Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

[Moonandstarzz]

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

Well, I must say I am surprised that we have a poster here advocating for children being exposed to public nudity. Had not expected that to pop up at all.

Why are you claiming this is anything to do with Trans people or people who identify as Queer? How do you know the people involved were not cisgender lesbian, gay and bi people?

Why are you claiming that the cyclists were engaged in 'inappropriate behaviour' to justify your distinction from nude sunbathers? What inappropriate behaviour did the cyclists engage in?

Why are you talking about Pride as a 'children's event'? Most events and spaces aren't specifically childrens events, or adult events. They are just events and spaces where adults and children are both likely to be present.

You mean a poster advocating that we should not be inherently sexualising the human body, and that non-sexualised human bodies are not some sort of shocking thing that is massively damaging to children. Which is why public nudity in contexts where children may be present is just not a big deal in so many cultures.

Yeah, not sure why you'd find it a shocking view to have, unless you insist on the tabloid version of the view, which of course many posters insist on presenting.

Do you think children in Germany are being abused by seeing nude sunbathers? What about children in Finland seeing nude adults in a sauna? What about children in Seattle seeing nude adults at the Solstice Festival?

It's interesting to see, on the one hand you have this claim that homosexuality is absolutely inherently attached to these kinds of very sexualized events.

And then when people, like religious conservatives, say, see, this shows homosexuality is inherently promiscuous or whatever, and violates an appropriate attitude to sex and that affects the public because it doesn't stay in the bedroom after all.

And the two responses seem to be,

a) No its not really about sex, just non-sexual nudity and kink" which of course no one believes.

and

b) you are a bigot if you think this approach to sex is problematic.

These things seem oddly mutually exclusive although often the same people use them both anyway.

But the overall message that the general public is getting seems to be that if you aren't a homophobe, you have to agree with the more extreme male attitudes around sexual liscentiousness.

we should not be inherently sexualising the human body

Why not?

Why are you falsely claiming that the nudity of these cyclists is sexualised?

Why are you claiming it is about the 'sexual liscentiousness' of men, when the group of cyclists included women?

Why are you not objecting to other naked cycling events?

Umm, because the human body has many more functions than just sexual?

Is this really a question you need to ask?

What do you call it when a derail is actually about bicycles? A de-pedal?

So - children should be exposed to nudity, and to question this is homophobic and all kinds of wrong.

Oooookay....

That's pretty much exactly what I got from my gay friends.

Applying different standards to the same actions depending on whether they are undertaken by a gay person or a straight person, or at a gay event or a non-gay event, is pretty straightforwardly homophobic, yes.

Interesting... Proposition.

TeaKlaxon · Today 15:31

And if you think there is something inherently inappropriate, can you direct us to your concerns about the inappropriateness of the World Naked Bike Ride, or sunbathing and sauna habits across much of Europe? Or is it just inappropriate if the naked person is gay?

If you want to post a link to the thread discussing it, we can judge for ourselves.

@TeaKlaxon@TeaKlaxon

I agree with you on something you are absolutely right about body functions..
A female body has the functions of menstruating & pregnancy. Functions a male body will never ever be and to possess no matter how many hormones they pump themselves up with or how many surgeries undertaken. They will never have a functioning female body.

So close to getting it.

In case you're not getting it - there isn't a thread. Because folk are less bothered by non-sexualised nudity when straight people are doing it than when gay people are doing it.

Thanks for proving the point.

Because people haven't heard of it until you mentioned it, you great ninny!

Nearly there. Now why do you think they haven’t heard of that but have heard of almost the exact same actions involving gay people in Seattle?

Because gay people are being used as a Trojan horse by those with ulterior motives. See PIE in the 70s trying to align with gay rights, and that was endorsed by senior politicians including current labour MP Harriet Harmen.

sunbathing and sauna habits across much of Europe

Nudity with regard to sunbathing and sauna is based on consent and confined to clear signed spaces and areas. Do you really think you can strip nude on a beach anywhere you like where non nude people and kids are? No, you would be arrested. You go to nudity beach or a sauna where nudity is the norm. If you go to the sauna when it is bathing suit day and strip you will be removed.

Seriously, stop trying to make out Europe is this 'where everything goes' place. It is not. It is about age and consent and laws are there to stop people flashing unsuspecting people.

What exactly do you think these naked cyclists are a trojan horse for except naked cycling?

This thread easily disproves your assertion.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4822450-aibu-to-think-this-is-absolutely-disgusting-and-unecessary

Now why do you think they haven’t heard of that but have heard of almost the exact same actions involving gay people in Seattle?

I've only heard about it via MN. I can't speak for others.

There was one very enthusiastic nudity fan on there. And a large majority of people (86%) who didn't want to see nudity in public.

Ah, so 86% of us are homophobic bigots. Now I get it.

Still nearly there. Why do you think there’s lots of mumsnet outrage about gay naked cyclists but not straight naked cyclists?