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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Pride parades not well attended in some parts?

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Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 00:16

I know pride as a whole was very toned down this month. The usual paraphernalia or pomp & ceremony wasn't displayed. I thought the parades would be well attended however there was a very poor showing in my town plus Dublin & Cork cities ones were also poorly supported.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said their was a huge appeal within the community for a big showing this year but it hasn't happened.
They boycotted pride as they say it no longer represents them & the vast majority of their friends did the same .

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watcherintherye · 25/06/2023 00:36

Well, Waitrose is up for it. There’s a special poster on display and you can buy a Waitrose Pride bag!

Separate from anything else, I suspect this is part of the pride-problem.

Look at the job listings on LinkedIn right now and you will have no idea which company is which because they’re all temporarily rebranded in pride flag mode. The only places I’m seeing pride flags are shops and within government right now.

Corporate and government appropriation of something like pride is a problem. Rainbow washing is a great way of pretending homophobia is no longer really a problem.

pickledandpuzzled · 25/06/2023 08:06

It's different in an era where everyone knows several same sex couples and their kids.

There's not the need to club together for visibility and support.

Yes it's still a heteronormative world, but that's a numbers game anyway.

Yes there's still bigotry, but again bullies and bigots will find something or someone to pick on.

It's a shame in some ways, but not in others.

cornflakesandtea · 25/06/2023 08:15

There was a pride event in our local town and the organisers chose to advertise it on their Facebook page with a big picture of a heterosexual couple and their heterosexual family wearing rainbows. I can't imagine the family they chose to show represented anyone in the LGB community.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 08:23

pickledandpuzzled · 25/06/2023 08:06

It's different in an era where everyone knows several same sex couples and their kids.

There's not the need to club together for visibility and support.

Yes it's still a heteronormative world, but that's a numbers game anyway.

Yes there's still bigotry, but again bullies and bigots will find something or someone to pick on.

It's a shame in some ways, but not in others.

My gay friends have a little gorgeous boy. Father's day is their big event this month & it's turning into a big celebration for them & their respective families. They are celebrate it in style!
Pride is not on their radar & they said like many of their lgb friends they will never bring their kids to a pride event.
They were delighted to see father's day heavily marketed this year on the high street in place of pride. I noticed the same. Our barbers advertising vouchers for father's day, no flag... Local restaurants & coffee shops all tooting father's day, same with shopping centres.
In recent years fathers day was lost in a sea of rainbow. I'm glad it's back as Junes main event.

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Abhannmor · 25/06/2023 08:25

Dublin Pride haven't done themselves any favours by photo shopping a trans rights placard onto a gay rights protest from 1983.

And thereby insulting the memory of Declan Flynn , a gay man whose murder by homophobic thugs gave such a big impetus to the struggle for gay rights here.

Homophobia hasn't gone away of course. Its not a great time to be gay . Or indeed a woman. I note that Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was on the Dublin march. Protesting against himself perhaps.

SeaSaltAir · 25/06/2023 08:27

I’m not surprised people are too scared to attend them tbh.

There was some anti gay marriage people protesting in Edinburgh this weekend. they posted photos of people attending the event, including families with children.

What sort of pervert is against marriage but pro taking pictures of random kids. It’s a scary world.

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 08:28

@Abhannmor by all accounts it was a very disappointing showing, Not that Panti et Al will admit it😁 there was lots of pressure out on the lgb community on social media to attend pride matches this year. I think organisors know they have lost a lot the lgb community now.

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YouJustDoYou · 25/06/2023 08:29

When lesbian gatherings are being boycotted and protested by trans outside shouting slogans and calling lesbians bigotted for not wanting their penises, and lesbians are being banned from pride events, I think everyone's fed up of that level of outright permitted homophobia. Pride is no longer what it used to be or what it used to represent.

pickledandpuzzled · 25/06/2023 08:41

SeaSaltAir · 25/06/2023 08:27

I’m not surprised people are too scared to attend them tbh.

There was some anti gay marriage people protesting in Edinburgh this weekend. they posted photos of people attending the event, including families with children.

What sort of pervert is against marriage but pro taking pictures of random kids. It’s a scary world.

That's appalling. I don't see any of that.

I do know people who are not in favour of same sex marriage in church, but they are also against pre marital sex and various other counter cultural positions- and very much against the bullying of anyone for any reason. They certainly wouldn't placard and protest someone else's event.

Actually that's so rude in itself. I need to think about counter protests generally.

highame · 25/06/2023 08:50

watcherintherye · 25/06/2023 00:36

Well, Waitrose is up for it. There’s a special poster on display and you can buy a Waitrose Pride bag!

Low key at my Waitrose, just one small stand with pride bag & the Weekend Mag isn't wall to wall Pride as in previous years. I notice there's a poster that has remained in place for the past year but just now just part of the furniture.

I wonder if it depends where in the country you are as to how much pride you get?

BigPeople · 25/06/2023 08:50

I remember in the 90s I had a big gang of mates who were lesbians and used to go to London and Brighton Prides absolutely mob handed, I mean LOADS of them, a proper takeover Grin.

You don’t see gangs of women at Pride anymore. It’s a male kink fest. Who can be arsed?

Wanderingowl · 25/06/2023 09:37

The images and videos I've seen of Dublin pride show a massive turn out. By what measure are you saying it wasn't well supported?

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 09:56

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2023/0624/1390909-pride/

https://m.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/dublin-pride-tens-of-thousands-march-through-city-to-celebrate-lgbtq-rights/a1093066156.html

"Not well attended"? "Very poor showing"?

I know you have a bit of a bee in your bonnet about Pride and you keep posting threads about how it's so refreshing that it's not being celebrated etc but the only way you could believe that is if you had your head in the sand.

I know you might wish Pride is going away, but it's not.

Thousands mark Dublin Pride parade's 40th anniversary

Thousands of people have taken to the streets of Dublin to celebrate the 40th anniversary of the capital's Pride parade.

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2023/0624/1390909-pride

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 11:19

RTÉ 😂 would you believe them after the whole Ryan Tubridy scandal? RTÉ is completely biased & it is state funded propoganda. So anti the Catholic Church, catholic schools. Catholic bashing full stop.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said it was very poorly attended compared to previous years. They boycotted for obvious reasons.

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TheBiologyStupid · 25/06/2023 11:48

dementedpixie · 25/06/2023 06:48

My local tesco has balloons and flags and a billboard! Morrison's has tshirts. Nowhere else seems to have done much. Think there was a big gathering in Glasgow my brother was at

Our Tesco Extra only has a single freestanding poster a little way from the entrance and a rather pathetic string of bunting above four adjacent checkouts. I've not heard any announcements like some PPs have reported.

TheBiologyStupid · 25/06/2023 11:50

D'oh - the emotive tannoy announcements were mentioned in a different thread.

EmpressaurusOfCats · 25/06/2023 11:51

I loved the Pride marches when I first came out, but I wouldn’t go anywhere near them nowadays. Not since the Pride movement got taken over by the homophobes.

SunnieShine · 25/06/2023 11:52

watcherintherye · 25/06/2023 00:36

Well, Waitrose is up for it. There’s a special poster on display and you can buy a Waitrose Pride bag!

No ta, said this lesbian.

TheBiologyStupid · 25/06/2023 11:54

Of course, today's the anniversary of the original rainbow flag's first use (at the Gay Freedom Day parade in San Francisco).

Flickersy · 25/06/2023 11:56

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 11:19

RTÉ 😂 would you believe them after the whole Ryan Tubridy scandal? RTÉ is completely biased & it is state funded propoganda. So anti the Catholic Church, catholic schools. Catholic bashing full stop.
Friends of mine in the lgb community said it was very poorly attended compared to previous years. They boycotted for obvious reasons.

I note you completely ignore the Independent link.

But fine, have some more:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/24/dublin-pride-carnival-of-every-colour-under-rainbow-fills-city-with-joy/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/dublin-pride-live-updates-thousands-27191358.amp

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishcentral.com/news/thousands-celebrate-dublin-pride.amp

https://euroweeklynews.com/2023/06/24/dublin-sees-thousands-attend-pride-2023/

Is that enough?

In no way was Dublin pride "very poorly attended".

Dublin Pride: carnival of every colour under rainbow fills city with joy

Most colourful parade in Ireland marks 40th anniversary

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2023/06/24/dublin-pride-carnival-of-every-colour-under-rainbow-fills-city-with-joy

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 11:58

@Flickersy in comparison to previous years it was.

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Flickersy · 25/06/2023 11:59

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 11:58

@Flickersy in comparison to previous years it was.

Any evidence please?

Beyond "my friends said".

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:04

Well yes @Flickersy my friends in the lgb community said so.. Also there was lots of calls on social media from certain sectors of their community to attend pride at all costs due to backlash.

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Flickersy · 25/06/2023 12:08

Moonandstarzz · 25/06/2023 12:04

Well yes @Flickersy my friends in the lgb community said so.. Also there was lots of calls on social media from certain sectors of their community to attend pride at all costs due to backlash.

So no, you don't have any evidence at all beyond "my friends said". Which is not even evidence.

Calls on social media mean bugger all since they clearly didn't work.

But if you like social media, have some actual video evidence from the day:

https://twitter.com/Feljin_J/status/1672694497422065670?t=zc8Z222cPLtLWm4YzTRj7w&s=19

https://twitter.com/Hanelizaa/status/1672582974326419456?t=3F2IvtbbqIlhZL7w3_CAow&s=19

You are spreading total hogwash and have bugger all to back it up.

https://twitter.com/Feljin_J/status/1672694497422065670?s=19&t=zc8Z222cPLtLWm4YzTRj7w

LonginesPrime · 25/06/2023 12:09

They can only make Pride events as huge as they have grown over the past decade or so because of massive corporate sponsorship.

Now that the corporates are starting to realise that the sentiment behind Pride has shifted its focus and that this has become a politically contentious issue with potential for backlash, criticism and much higher reputational risk than before, it's obviously a far less appealing cause to support.

Banks, professional services firms and corporates jumped on Pride to repair their reputations after the financial crisis of 2008, and in the years that followed, Pride was an absolute no-brainer for throwing huge amounts of money at a pretty mainstream cause which made them look all soft and cuddly in attempt to change people's perception of the evil financial industry that screwed everyone over.

And Pride was such an incredibly easy win for the banks and corporates as it requires zero effort on the part of management or HR, as the gay man heading up each corporate's LGBT employee network typically liaises with the Pride committees, rallies employees and organises the whole campaign as long as someone in senior management picks up the cheque for all the printing, the buses, the t-shirts, the drinks, the after parties, and so on.

But now, Pride has served its purpose in restoring the image of banking (as far as it was ever going to, anyway) so it is less necessary to continue to allocate that level of CSR budget to Pride, plus the reputational risk and all the fraught internal meetings it necessitates nowadays means it's simply not worth the risk and hassle when they can chuck their money at causes that no-one objects to, like underprivileged kids or whatever.

Plus, as much as banks want to be seen to support LGBT issues, their HR, PR and CSR departments are usually largely staffed by women (because non fee-earning roles are more parent-friendly) who are often mindful of the industry being perceived as an old boys' club. These departments will have likely encountered employee issues and objections to genderbread man-style training and unisex toilets, etc, by now, so even where many individuals may still be captured themselves, they are nevertheless becoming acutely aware of the growing debate around the intersection of women's rights and transactivism, and they recognise that the risk of being publicly accused of trampling women's rights isn't a great look for an old boys' club either.

Less corporate investment = scaled down Pride events.

Hopefully LGB and T events will just revert to being more disparate and grassroots again anyway - that's how it always was before and how causes can stay true to their own messages. No good was ever going to come of selling out to banks like that, IMO. (Although as a gay person, I can attest to the fact that no-one loves an extravagant piss-up on someone else's dime more than the gays, so I can see how tempting the banks' offer was...).

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