Police withdraw stalking protection order application against Caroline Farrow

[BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn]

Or rather their barrister does. The case somehow got as far as court without the police giving Caroline's representations to the barrister. Once he read them he declined to proceeed.

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1671854328485691392?

https://twitter.com/CF_Farrow/status/1672117973862039552?

Thanks Bez. I am struggling to believe that police have such a recruitment problem. Surely there are some basic proficiency tests.

That's it. I am now off to rescue some hostages in some wild and lawless part of the world. No, not Surrey.

Bez, there are people who claim to be lawyers....and I heard, who claim to be women.

As a retired High Court Judge, and someone called as an expert witness on Kryptonite Politics in the trial of General Zod I have to encourage posters to remain sceptical about claims to authority on the Internet.

It illegal to impersonate a police officer online?
Something to ponder on- assuming that the site concerned, and the great pretender, are both based in England.
Hmmm

That should say Is it illegal
fat fingers me

Goodness! I’ve just been deleted. And I can’t even remember what I posted. Oh the joys of menopause. The womanly version.

It's not illegal to claim to be an officer in order to appeal to authority while attempting to tell women off on the Internet.
Spending ages in the interwebs giving the force a bad name and claiming to be the victim of criminal acts on an Internet forum is not usually a disciplinary matter as long as you are not on duty.

Needmoresleep · Today 16:05
I am not saying that. Are you not able to understand or are you being deliberately dense.

I am saying:

1. You could have done some of your own research Google/The Farms/MN and picked up enough history to suggest that it was not just black and white and that there might be more to this than the complainants version.
2. The police could have done a lot more to look at the background/context. Caroline/Louise and too many more could have pointed them in the right direction.

And the background will only become relevant if its one and the same person who is making the complaint.

So if it is the same person - then of course the background is relevant.

But if its not - then none of the background may be relevant. If its a completely separate person and a completely separate complaint, then it wont be.

But at this stage - we don't know.
Which is all I have been saying for some time now.

Disclaimer - I am using 'we' to mean me and most others on here. I acknowledge that some on here will know or have been told the details of the complaint and I am aware that Caroline may have access to this thread or indeed people close to her. I also acknowledge that the reporting person, OIC and direct witnesses may also read the thread and hence will not be included in the term 'we'.

BezMills

Whether you believe me or not that I am a police officer is irrelevant.
Either the argument is good or the argument is bad.
Never use the 'argument from authority' as it never works.

"Never use the 'argument from authority' as it never works". Irony alert 😂

I always feel sorry for Caroline when threads about her are taken over by posters who self identify as an authority on the law / policing / Caroline's case and drown out others with tedious walls of text.

MrsOvertonsWindow
"Never use the 'argument from authority' as it never works". Irony alert

Where is the irony?
Where have I ever said "I'm a police officer therefore I am right".

I put an argument or comment forward. Either that argument is good or bad. The discussion then proceeds around it.

I have never said "I am right because I'm a police officer"

But at this stage - we don't know.

But the police know....and we are making reasonable assumptions.

If we are right, then they really do need to take context on board. Too many women have been bullied by one man, who effectively uses the police as his agents.

If you don't get it, don't bother to reply. Talk to your mates in the section house instead. Presumably they will think you are a hero mansplaining to all these wimmin.

Felix: If you aren’t arguing from your purported authority “as a police officer” then you should properly cite every single claim you make about police procedures.

Absent citations, you are arguing from authority (repeatedly and longwindedly and despite the fact that no one actually believes your claim to authority.)

Needmoresleep

I agree - if you are right then they really do need to take context on board.

But what if you are wrong - and it is someone else?

I'm not in a section house, by the way, I have my own house & family.

DarkDayforMN

Which claims are you questioning?

I would have thought that the police code of ethics would prevent a serving officer from commenting on an ongoing investigation.
If a serving officer continued to make comment, of any nature, about such an investigation, then one would presume that their managers would have a word and remind them of their need to follow that code.

😂

How long have you been an officer for, Felix?

I’m not questioning any claims, because I scroll past your posts; I’m simply explaining to you what argument from authority is, since you seem to be labouring under the delusion that you aren’t doing it.

If you want not to make an argument from authority, then every claim you make about how the police operate needs to be cited.

Some also claim to fly!

Some people are strange, female flying lawyers that are not female or flying or lawyerly.

But that beanie hat was spectacular. Still makes me giggle.

Dumbo12
I'm not commenting on it - I have repeatedly said on this thread that i do not know the specifics of it. And because we don't know, we can't really assume.

DrLouiseJMoody
20+ years. Although I thought you doubted I was an officer?

DarkDayforMN
If you want me to I can - but it will probably lengthen ever post out considerably.

I keep in touch with this thread because the actual situation for Caroline Farrow is just despicable. And find it really strange that, whatever anyone might think about her as an individual, more people are not raising in public what seems to be an abuse of power.

Is there not some legal limit to how long someone can be constantly put under police investigation for what seem to be a stream of possible offences, that in fact only arise from the original complaint, that should surely by now have been dealt with / evidenced.

I know its a joke to talk about natural justice, but if a case first start x number of months ago, and is still not finished, it should be prioritised. If not there should be a sort of "habeas corpus" on the grounds of cruel and unnatural behaviour by the police in treating someone who at this point is innocent.

As someone said up thread, it is as thought the police have decided that the process should be the punishment as they clearly aren't able to put together a case.

Interesting, Felix, because elsewhere, you state you're mid-twenties. Does that mean you've been an officer since age five? Entry requirements are very flexible now, it seems.

If you want me to I can - but it will probably lengthen ever post out considerably.

would also slow you down so it might be a net positive. Go ahead if you like. I don’t care if you cite or not, I’m just explaining “argument from authority” to you.

then one would presume that their managers would have a word

They can't, they are enjoying a 7 week holibob.

I have to disagree with you, even constantly stating "we don't know" is a comment. If your supervisor is aware of your Internet commenting, I would expect them to suggest that you desist.