Glinner calling women "handmaidens"

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Respect to glinner for speaking up but does anyone else consider his use of the term "handmaiden" grating? I don't like men calling women sexist names because they don't agree with him. Not one to criticise usually, cba with purity politics etc - and he can say what he likes - but I just wondered if I was alone in this making me bristle slightly

Agree, insults are common if you don't agree.

teh hive minds!!!

What I notice is ploppers turning up and opening with a series of insults, which then are met with resigned patience, and a short list of common questions, which are never answered.

Well, some of them are. It’s not the worst epithet I have heard flung during the gender wars.

I can see why women use it but I am a man and I would not use the term handmaidens or vichy feminists. It would not seem right probably because if I called a woman that I would instantly lose the argument by looking like the sort of bloke who tells women what to think.

same same @Heliotroper

I'm not here to tell, I'm here to listen and learn.

It used to be specific to heterosexual, usually married, women with children. Is it a catch all insult nowadays?

The house is on fire, we need to call the emergency services, and you’re complaining about how Glinner is holding the phone?

Exactly

I don't have a problem with "handmaiden". I am not going to automatically agree with another woman simply because she is a woman. I will defend her rights. I will have her back if she needs it. But I will not automatically agree with her. That's not what feminism is about.

It just makes me bristle, rightly or wrongly. I find it sexist and I'm not someone who often uses that word. I know I am on the feminism board but no longer identify as a feminist because I associate it with cancel culture, gender ideology, word salads of jcj etc. I do however consider myself a women's rights advocate. So I hesitate to use the term "sexist" unless I really feel it's warranted (words need to keep their power) and unfortunately I do think it is in this case. Personally, that is. I can see I'm in the minority here. I appreciate Graham's support but I do think a large motive for his focus has been in repairing his reputation as opposed to being exclusively motivated by caring about the issue. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

Im probably alone in thinking women SHOULD be shamed for pandering to men at the expense of the rights of all women.
But Im a dick, so ignore me.

Trans ideology (not all trans people obvs) is the patriarchy on steroids. I suppose it's less surprising when males prop up the patriarchy. And we do call them out and point out the misogyny, homophobia/ internalised homophobia. I suppose dick panderers are displaying internalised misogyny. But there's a class thing being capitalised on too. Most of the dick panderers are unlikely to find themselves sharing a prison with transwomen sex offenders.

I appreciate Graham's support but I do think a large motive for his focus has been in repairing his reputation as opposed to being exclusively motivated by caring about the issue.

I don't agree with this. He could have held up his hands at any point and said "I made a mistake TWAW" and he would could have had a (maybe not the same) career back.

I think he is one of only a few people in public life who has a true moral compass and can't go against it. JKR is another. I am hugely indebted to them both and anyone else who has been as brave.

I, too, disagree. Glinner is one of the few people who has put his mouth where his money is and has suffered a great deal for standing up for women.

Well put.

Repairing his reputation?

I'd say the exact opposite.

I hate the term handmaiden when anyone uses it. The implication is that individuals don't really think what they think. Which almost always is completely inaccurate. It is perfectly possible for people to believe all kinds of idiotic garbage sincerely.

It looks a little worse coming from a man.

However - I've always felt that this is really Glinners weak spot. I think he's right on gender ideology, and I think he's been very brave and so scarified substantially to stand up for what he thinks is right.

But I also think he has a strong tendency to be mocking and dismissive when people disagree with him, and the fact is he isn't always right. He isn't so hot on freedom of expression when he decides it's unwarranted, ie that guy who made the jokes about the dog, which was clearly not a nazi dog.

Women have always been easy targets. https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/french-female-collaborator-punished-head-shaved-publicly-mark-1944/

I understand what you’re saying but it’s still a long way from the hostility, death threats and violence women have faced since the dawn of time.

And Glinner's mental acuity is just fine.

@DemiColon " hate the term handmaiden when anyone uses it. The implication is that individuals don't really think what they think"

I don't agree. I think they think exactly what they think. They are just crap thoughts.

Its such an amazing degree of hypocrisy that a group would go after Glinner's income so rabidly using fear to make sure no one will work with him in his industry then complain that he needs to use a paywall to try and scrape by on a meager income.

Agree with this, lechiffre, and the rest of your excellent post.

These people who have done everything they can to destroy his livelihood then wang on about how terrible it is to see Glinner's mental health decline.

About the name-calling - obviously it would be wonderful if everyone on our side could be a model of calm and diplomacy at all times. But it's not going to happen. We are battling a group of people who use the most vicious tactics including death and rape threats, including actual physical violence, including maliciously reporting feminists to the police or dragging them through the courts, including trying to get people cancelled and thrown out of their jobs, sometimes successfully. You'd have to be a saint to stay calm in the face of all that. If you weren't able to throw out an occasional "handmaiden" and "dick panderer" in response, then you'd go mad.

It’s a synonym for maidservant: a female employed within a household, as opposed to working in the fields or being a ‘wife ‘ within an independent household. The opposite sex were menservants.

A hand maid at the time of the Sixteenth Century Biblical translations was a girl, or woman , who was employed more directly in waiting on her ( usually female) employer, in the bedchamber and solar rather than the kitchen. ‘Maid’ of course is unmarried status, with some assumption of virginity.

If you want to know what's going on in the Bible and Hebrew Bible, it's best to look at the original Hebrew and Greek words used because some of the translations, including the Latin ones, are pretty hinky.

I freely use 'Handmaiden' and 'Vichy Gay' for the sellouts like Nancy, Mhari and Little Owen and all the misogynistic gay men
As a Lesbian a same-sex attracted woman I don't give a fuck about being nice or kind anymore.
Ladies; to the Barricades! For our Rights!

This exactly. I used to find him such a hypocrite. He has, in fairness, apologised for that. And disowned any comment made pre 2018. But he used to be the worst anti free speech, tone deaf, "anyone who disagrees with me is a bigot" media type. What frustrates me is that he still sort of is, but for the other team. So now it's "anyone who disagrees with me is a handmaiden" or a "groomer". He's like Owen Jones in the sense that he sees the world divided into goodies and baddies, no room for grey. I just find him quite frustrating, personally, but again I appreciate I'm in the minority here.