Glinner calling women "handmaidens"

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Respect to glinner for speaking up but does anyone else consider his use of the term "handmaiden" grating? I don't like men calling women sexist names because they don't agree with him. Not one to criticise usually, cba with purity politics etc - and he can say what he likes - but I just wondered if I was alone in this making me bristle slightly

I dont share your concerns at all and many women, espcially the professional feminist organisations deserve worse names than handmaiden for what they have allied themselves to.

I agree.

Well put.

Gosh. Imagine that. Refusing to debate.

Yes! The handmaiden were constantly plotting against their masters. They hated it and could see what was happening. Handmaiden is more what a terf is. Female gender ideologists are the aunts or wives.

I also don't think that I've seen a single tweet by Glinner where the replies aren't full with the deeply unpleasant, utterly predictable replies from TRA's of 'how's your wife' or similar. Margey on here does it as well - it's like a script.

I might not agree with everything Glinner says but that's the same for everyone.

And I don't use Handmaidens. I use Dick Panderers.

I wouldn't use it, don't like it.

But I'm in not the Word Police and even if that was a thing I wouldn't join up.

In a similar vein, does it not bother Mumsnet that Linehan's last ban was for making death threats towards a group of women?
Bullshit.
The whole 'boy who cried wolf' thing worked for a while, but it's not any more. We do go and check these things for ourselves.
Every single time I've seen a 'death threat' from the GC side, it's been either a tweet that has been taken in such bad faith that it bears no relation to what the person actually said or its been from a new account with no followers and suspicious AF.
Try making your case in good faith on things people have actually said. Maybe then we could get somewhere with this godawful mess.

But back to the original question, I'm not a fan of 'handmaidens', because although it's a genuine term predating Atwood, the handmaids (and handmaidens historically) weren't given much choice. Its become too confused with Atwood and I think isn't the best term anyway.
Aunt Lydias would be far more accurate.
But I'm not going to denounce Glinner for it. He was one of the first to speak up and has been hugely punished for it. Maybe he doesn't always use the language I would, but so what? No one does that exactly, and his heart is in the right place. I have a lot of respect for him.

Love Glinner. He can do no wrong and has sacrificed so much in his support for women.

I really like Dick Panderer too. You don't have to understand any cultural references to know what it means.

Unless dick means elbow or something in American?

Mumsnet Feminist Womens Rights (FWR) aka "Feminism: Sex and Gender Discussions": where females who think anyone can be a man and males who think that anyone can be a woman come to complain about the way a male defends the sex-based rights of women and girls.

You couldn't make up this shit! 🙄

That's a very apt picture indeed.

I couldn't care less what language Glinner uses. Fuck conduct and fuck decorum. Fuck appealing to female socialisation and women being told they don't deserve rights because they asked for them the wrong way.

Glinner's actions speak louder and he is a principled, brilliant man. And brought us some of the best comedy I've ever seen.

I think it's fair. It's also a lot nicer than terf!

No it doesn’t bother me, crack on Glinner!

I think it's a bit overused.

Interesting that there's a nasty word for women who are like this but not one for men who are just the same (that I can think of).

Ah, the good old "she deserved it" line. Interesting how that's perceived on here depending on whether you're rightthink or wrongthink.

Glinner also uses "Vichy feminist", which I find both amusing and accurate.

Sometimes find Glinner's approach a bit blunt, but he's on the side of the angels, which is what matters.

Yes , it seems to be their weapon of first resort now. I just block anyone who uses it , must be in 3 figures now.
I suppose they are more to be pitied but I'm getting compassion fatigue with these malignant creeps.

Sorry to repeat what 99% of posters are saying, but I'll save my dislike for the women who, yes, ARE handmaidens (like my Labour MP). GL has sacrificed a lot in the cause, and I'm grateful to see a public figure who has some backbone.

Bearded woke-bro?

Not sure how I feel about the term ‘handmaiden’ but Glinner is a valuable ally regardless.

Its such an amazing degree of hypocrisy that a group would go after Glinner's income so rabidly using fear to make sure no one will work with him in his industry then complain that he needs to use a paywall to try and scrape by on a meager income.
The no debate mantra has fallen. It is dead. The people who purposfully chose to build their house of cards on the swampy foundations of circular thought terminating cliches and no debate have suceeded only in excluding themselves from any adult conversation, and are now wondering why debate is now happening without them despite their incessantly agressive perpetual tantrum.
The hypocrisy of calling Glinner on "no debate" because you refuse to pony up £30 is breathtaking. Just stunning. "I won't pay, and so I can't harangue him. How mean is that?"
Your side could have debated at any point. If you had debated in good faith from the start, we would all have got a vastly better result. You would have a say where we as a society heads next out of this conflagration, and help choose the end destination together. It would have been achieved with input and consent from all sides, and been conducted in a mutually respectful way. But like a small spoilt child wriggling around and screaming their lungs out on the floor of McDonalds having a tantrum while everyone else watches on in bemusment because mummy won't and literally can't give you the big colourful Ronald McDonald clownman advertising cutout hanging from the ceiling, the situation has reached the point of moving on from mollifying and appeasing you to the adults stepping up and taking control of you and your appalling embarassing behaviour.
You can sulk and whinge as much as you like but you blew it bigtime and the adults are now moving on without you. All that's left is the amusment and grattitude that their kids are nothing like "that kid" in the bystanders who witnessed the spectacular performance of The Theatre Of Victimhood Extravagance. Ohh and funny stories about "that crazy spolit kid in McDonalds" to tell other parents when they get home. The internet is forever don't forget. This is the legacy you chose and built for yourselves.
Politicians are often the least in touch with reality. When it finally reaches them you know that everyone knows.

Great Post leChiffre
Politicians are often the least in touch with reality. When it finally reaches them you know that everyone knows.
Yes, seeing Jess Phillips come out of weasel mode at the recent debate shows how the wind is blowing.