Glinner calling women "handmaidens"

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Respect to glinner for speaking up but does anyone else consider his use of the term "handmaiden" grating? I don't like men calling women sexist names because they don't agree with him. Not one to criticise usually, cba with purity politics etc - and he can say what he likes - but I just wondered if I was alone in this making me bristle slightly

Well of course name-calling is acceptable here as long as we approve. Never mind that we actually prefer others call out the action and not resort to name-calling.

Any name-calling towards us, however, is a sluuurrrr and never justifiable, excusable or acceptable! <bangs gavel>

It's all very well to criticise Glinner for not engaging with "the arguments." We know that's pointless as the endgame is removal of sex and replacement with gender.
For all his faults he's been one of the few high profile commentators and stuck his neck out paying a very high personal price.

Wtf happened to No debate???? Sorry, I wasn't shouting.Not sure what I did there 🤣

Generally speaking, I don’t like ‘shorthand’ to demonise people by their opinions. Terms I don’t like: fag hags, libtards, terfs, hand maidens, tech bros … the list goes on. For someone who’s a writer (Glinner), it’s lazy generalisation.

agree with PP, he has stuck his neck out from the very start of this sorry mess, and continued to do so, despite great personal
cost. Those lone voices like his who have stood up against so much shit are the reason why things are finally able to be discussed a little more openly…

so I’d prefer to focus my criticism on those who have stayed silent on this issue, and most importantly those who have been part of the problem.

Context?

I always think the actual handmaidens were victims in the story. It was the Aunts who did the dirty work, they were the real misogynists.

It comes from "handmaidens of the patriarchy" and predates Atwood's novel.

Was quite impressed, actually 😆

I think he is brilliant tbh and I feel sorry for him as he has lost so much through this fight so I excuse him if his tweets get to the point and ragged at times.

@Ereshkigalangcleg I didn't know that, thanks.

The irony is at large tonight, calling someone out for saying handmaiden, while calling that pseudonym TERF!

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agree with PP, he has stuck his neck out from the very start of this sorry mess, and continued to do so, despite great personal
cost.

I suspect the same people who want Glinner to shut up because they feel is stealing the limelight from women would also complain about men not caring about this mess.

And when they are sterilising boys and girls, this is not a monopoly of feminists.

As for handmaidens, I don't use the term myself, but it is the perfect description for all those women who proudly give men permission to come into women's spaces without any consideration for the rest of us.

Pretty sure he didn’t coin it. It’s apt, though.

I never use it.

I hate it personally.

But I don't police want other people choose to use.

I think it's an excellent term for women who slavishly wait upon their male oppressors, considering their servitude a privilege and themselves superior to other women.

Unrelatedly, I'm on team Glinner. He by no means invented this use of 'handmaiden', it's been useful since feminism began.

Ah it's just the way he uses it really grates on me "xyz, handmaiden". I just find it sexist and annoying. It's like when men say "shut up, terf". I find tra women very annoying too but regardless I don't like seeing a man call women handmaidens in the name of defending their rights. Just doesn't sit well with me. This is not a "purity politics" or "language policing" tuning (am team kjk and don't like the jcj style of critiquing the gender movement) I simply bristle at this and wondered if I was alone

In a similar vein, does it not bother Mumsnet that Linehan's last ban was for making death threats towards a group of women?

Who did he threaten to kill?

Nobody ...it's the usual old bollocks. I think he was plugging his podcast and said ' I'm gonna kill em!' or some such line. What sane and rational people call ' a figure of speech ' and not meant to be taken literally.

As our TRA poster know full well.

I always thought Handmaid came from the gospel - the Annunciation specifically, where Gabriel tells Mary she is to bear the Messiah. She responds ' behold the handmaid of the Lord'.

But I'm no bible scholar.

You can subscribe to his substack and chat away with him there. I have done.

If you have an Idea for a longer chat why not pitch it to him and go on The Mess we are in.

Do that instead of sounding like a pompous arse talking here about "his conduct".

'behold the handmaid of the Lord'.

Yeah, that makes sense but I think it's from earlier in the OT - the story of Abraham has his wife Sarah unable to conceive so he is given Sarah's handmaid Hagar to impregnate.

I prefer the use of this picture when referring to women who put the wants of men above the needs and rights of women.

Handmaiden is insulting but it's fine to speculate and gloat about Glinner's supposed "mental decline" and his career ending.

What else have you got when the man sticks to his principles after relentless bullying?

Glinner can't stage a musical because he sticks up for women's rights and is against putting gay and autistic kids on hormones. But a Michael Jackson musical arrives in the west end shortly.

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I find his mental decline quite depressing to watch

So snide and unpleasant along with the faux naive tone.

Whether you like him or not Glinner has made extraordinary sacrifices to publicise the horrors of the dangers of men in women's spaces, the failures of safeguarding children. He has fought fire with fire and I for one am grateful to him (and also so sad that he can't work and there is so much of his talent that we are missing out on).

It is sad that we need it but Handmaid/Handmaiden is a great shorthand.

Yeah that is absolutely mental isn't it!