School guidelines on gender identities/trans out this week

[ArabeIIaScott]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/22733965/schools-banned-letting-pupils-change-gender-parents-rishi-sunak/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12208907/PM-says-children-not-allowed-switch-identities-schools-without-telling-parents.html

These are the only two articles I could find so far.

'Schools will be forced to tell parents if students are questioning their gender under new Government guidance to be published this week, according to a report. '

If gender critical women are happier with the new guidelines it’s likely going to antagonise TRAs

What they are after is complete validation, without thought to impact on our sex class

I doubt this would happen with the gender ideology based parties as they are more aligned to TRAs

Is this his position on catgender?

The video of the girls arguing with their teacher that you can't change sex demonstrates that we've reached a point where the subversive rebellious position is to claim you can't change sex.

You are exactly right, and this is what gives me hope. I think we've all been worried at the way schools are peddling this ideology, but ultimately children's instinct is to push back against the values they are taught in school. Paradoxically, schools' wholesale adoption of a nonsensical set of ideas is the very thing that means this younger generation of children will reject them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CtrkFEdg0yS/

Ridicule for the Emperors assistants as this ex teacher is doing, prison too.

I have also seen this

https://twitter.com/_Tweetiez/status/1670930906289250306

This is what I’ve been wondering for a while. Part of me used to wonder if I would have got caught up in the gender cult. But I think I would have gone off it once it became so fashionable. Also one thing I know for sure is if teachers had started sermonising about it I would have rejected it in an instant.

When all the teachers are telling teenagers: this is the truth and you cannot challenge it, it's open season on making teachers look stupid. They'll have a field day.

As ex teacher Francis is demonstrating, we should all ridicule them for going along with it and never let them forget, if they want respect they should quit ideologies in school and do their job properly, that includes quitting bullying.

And we could launch a nationwide whistleblower campaign, asking parents and others to highlight real-world examples of what is actually happening in schools."

That's a really good idea. I wonder if the Free Speech Union or someone could collate? Is there a whistleblower organisation? Safe Schools Alliance?

It’s “compelled speech” and belongs in 1984

From Glinner's War on Women Good News supplement earlier today:

You'll have read what the Cass interim report said about social transitioning, then?

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1671176562140381184?cxt=HHwWgICw9dOOm7EuAAAA
Who do they think that they are performing experiments, removing parental responsibility without a court order and breaking safeguarding?

I don't have sympathy, I have empathy that they have to deal with something tough, it's part of the job, they have no issue reporting parents, it's different when it's them.

They act the victims when they are up against adults and some are being recorded as bullies when they think they can do as they please with children. Why are they being treated like a sacred caste? Had they stood up in greater numbers sooner this would not have escalated as it has. They left a tiny minority swinging in the wind like Safe school alliance when they carried on knowing full well they were causing harm.

😂

That girl is just lucky that she didn't identify as a fox...

😂 She’d be fine so long as she didn’t pay a visit to Jolyon’s hen house.

@Helleofabore As usual Butterfly, your posts are all about you and you keep forgetting you are on a feminist board . They lack the perspective of being a female and having a true understanding of living as a female.

What? You referenced your own experiences twice. I referenced my own experiences twice in response. It would be very difficult to communicate if we weren't able to use personal examples in relation to situations we have direct experience of. Many of the posts on this very thread feature them.

I thought you didn't believe 'living as a female' was a meaningful concept that any human being does - you've certainly rubbished any mention I've made of it in the past - so how can I fall short of something that doesn't even exist?

@TheBiologyStupid You'll have read what the Cass interim report said about social transitioning, then?

That it isn't a neutral act to support it? I completely agree. It absolutely isn't a neutral act. I don't see how it would be possible for it to be a neutral act in an environment that requires regular daily interaction with other people which involve names and pronouns at an absolute bare minimum. You either afford a measure of respect toward people's wishes and try to make reasonable accommodations for them, or you don't. When a child asks for a specific set of pronouns to be used for them, it's certainly possible to make linguistic contortions to avoid doing so, but it's starkly apparent what is occurring when it happens. That isn't neutral either - the message is very, very clear.

Of course there's a great deal of nuance required here; sense must prevail and individual circumstances are complex. Sometimes requests aren't reasonable, sometimes we make mistakes, sometimes we misunderstand - and that's fine. Most people are able to see that this is a highly complex and sensitive issue that requires measured and empathetic handling, but all sense seems to instantly die the moment a team colour gets slapped on an issue.

"but all sense seems to instantly die the moment a team colour gets slapped on an issue".

I think what we're seeing is responsible adults trying to take back control and to safeguard children. Adults with an agenda have been allowed to gaslight children for too long, including in schools. As we watch the chaos that's been inflicted on children too young to consent to the psychological / physical harms of social transitioning & puberty blockers, parents and society in general are insisting that children must be protected.

There's an open letter form some branches of the NEU:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScebwxK9SS_j4s90LoPKrLYirAs1jRbABttNm0Denqvcfwn4g/viewform

From this tweet:

twitter.com/naburkinshaw/status/1671173202662375427?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

From

“I thought you didn't believe 'living as a female' was a meaningful concept that any human being does - you've certainly rubbished any mention I've made of it in the past - so how can I fall short of something that doesn't even exist?”

yeah ok. Change ‘living as a female’ to “living with a female body and all the experiences that come with that”. Something that feminism centres. Something that you have no experience of as a male.

You have used emotional manipulation here both to seek to convince women to overcome their discomfort of you using a female single sex space .

But also You have also tried a forced teaming utilisation of gender non conformity to convince readers that any person should have their pronouns and identities ‘respected’ and that this should apply to children. No. Not gender non-conforming children. Children you wish to fully support to transition. Including hormone treatments if I remember correctly.

What a mess. I don’t trust Stonewall nor unions using their info to organise schools for the best for children

@ButterflyHatched

'I've actively changed how I dress over the course of the last couple of years toward a more femme style if I know I'll be using facilities in places likely to skew hostile toward trans people '

Well whoopy-fucking-do! Well done you. All that consideration to protect yourself against the nasty trans-hostile people. Did you ever think show any consideration to the women who felt embarrassment, discomfort or full-on fear when you bravely walked into their facilities?

Fuck you and fuck the horse you rode into town on.

“Well whoopy-fucking-do! Well done you. All that consideration to protect yourself against the nasty trans-hostile people. Did you ever think show any consideration to the women who felt embarrassment, discomfort or full-on fear when you bravely walked into their facilities?”

Once you see it, you cannot never not notice it again. The complete disregard for the needs of the female half of the population. In this post it was glaringly obvious.

And posted on a feminist chat board.

My God, teachers unions are actually advocating for helping children keep secrets from parents because they may be in danger from their parents.

Can you imagine a more dangerous position to put a child in? They are supporting children to have secrets that if discovered they believe will endanger them.

What's their plan for when the parent finds out the ongoing secret?

Or is the plan for kids: lie until you are 18 then leave home? Presumably to live with these lovely supportive teachers who care about you more than your parents?

If they think children are in danger they should be making safeguarding referrals not keeping secrets.

But they don't really mean danger, they mean disagreement and disapproval and Trans kids have to be protected from that.

Hear, hear.

You either afford a measure of respect toward people's wishes and try to make reasonable accommodations for them, or you don't.

Have you afforded women a measure of respect? What reasonable accommodations have you made for women?