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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Gender Wars - Channel 4 - 10pm tonight

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chouxchoux · 30/05/2023 20:43

With the brilliant Kathleen Stock.

Anyone planning to watch?

(Apologies if there’s an existing thread I’ve missed).

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KalimbaMoon · 01/06/2023 17:34

So we’re stuffed then, basically? Whether they fracture our skulls at a rally or go for a friendly pint with us, they’re going to ride roughshod over women’s rights? I wonder if all hope now rests on the Equality Act discussion on June 12.

nilsmousehammer · 01/06/2023 17:38

This will not go away.

Women are never going to just give up and submit to this small, noisy and fantastically entitled group of misogynists, and as the evidence stacks up higher and the outrage and public knowledge increases, pressure will build.

Eventually, there will be, in law, the boundaries that will force this very small percentage of males to respect the law and consequences because they will never respect women or women's needs.

We're already on very different ground than we were just a year ago. This will move only one way, but it may take a long time.

WarriorN · 01/06/2023 17:58

TinselAngel · 01/06/2023 15:11

News just in showing, what a surprise, Katy Jon is exactly like all other Trans widows exes.

twitter.com/transwidows/status/1664272015124221954?s=46&t=PSGltfjrMyZmBtYq2-AVIQ

Quelle surprise.

Clearly a lot of spin going on hence being so keen to be the Bellos approved reasonable transexual.

My eyebrows went to the mood re chatting in the toilet. Clearly aware of the boundaries broken.

Datun · 01/06/2023 18:01

KalimbaMoon · 01/06/2023 17:34

So we’re stuffed then, basically? Whether they fracture our skulls at a rally or go for a friendly pint with us, they’re going to ride roughshod over women’s rights? I wonder if all hope now rests on the Equality Act discussion on June 12.

No, we're not fucked.

There is no law that says men cannot access women's spaces, and there never has been.

Because it wasn't considered necessary. Social condemnation was sufficient.

Twenty years ago if a man walked into the ladies behind a woman everyone would've felt entirely confident in calling him out. Oi, mate, that's the ladies.

People don't feel like that now. They're worried that they might be misgendering somebody, or falling into some kind of terrible transphobic trap that they can't navigate.

Public perception has to change. The public must become aware that no, women's spaces haven't magically opened up to a special cohort of men.

That women have just as much right as they always have had to single sex spaces.

The tide is already turning, with all manner of sports federations making rules to preserve women's sport.

The EHRC is going to provide guidance for schools. They also need to get rid of the training children have been having in gender identity.

And, of course, the more people talk about this, the more everyone feels emboldened to act.

I think what women like me are trying to say is that the men who want into those spaces, are not the ones who are going to help you prevent it.

However reasonable they may appear, that's not the goal.

Datun · 01/06/2023 18:02

Sorry KalimbaMoon, you said 'stuffed' but I read 'fucked'.

WarriorN · 01/06/2023 18:10

This will not go away.

No it will never go away. For the reasons you list but also, the cat is out of the bag. It exists. All of it. The medicine, the specialist research hubs, the faculties, the charities and endless streams of money. It's an industry, and it's linked to porn. That will never go.

The ideology even has hymns now.

WarriorN · 01/06/2023 18:14

Public perception has to change.

This is really important.

A public health campaign around the issues with the whole idea of medical transition.

Laws that clearly define the issues with self ID.

All decanted clearly into schools. Spell it all out for teachers.

Real mental health support.

TinselAngel · 01/06/2023 18:18

Bindel has also fallen for Katy Jon

Gender Wars - Channel 4 - 10pm tonight
KalimbaMoon · 01/06/2023 18:24

Datun · 01/06/2023 18:02

Sorry KalimbaMoon, you said 'stuffed' but I read 'fucked'.

😂 same difference really!

I’m glad you think the tide is turning. I do worry about how all this will pan out in future, considering just how many seemingly intelligent people are fully captured by gender ideology. At least programmes and films are being made now and people are starting to talk more openly. I think Adult Human Female covered the issues much more thoroughly than Gender Wars though - I’d love that to be shown on Channel 4.

Appalonia · 01/06/2023 18:37

Really good episode about this on The Mess we're in, including the revelation that Whittle has MS, which has most probably been caused by taking testosterone for so long...
https://twitter.com/GPair10/status/1663798659425681409?s=19

https://twitter.com/GPair10/status/1663798659425681409?s=19

TinyTopknot · 01/06/2023 18:46

TinselAngel · 01/06/2023 18:18

Bindel has also fallen for Katy Jon

The Labour supporting feminists have always been more than happy with Hayton and also Went it seems.

I MUCH prefer the line in the sand, no bollocks approach of KJK.

WarriorN · 01/06/2023 19:58

Aja shared a film of Bindel today saying that transwomen who dated lesbians could be seen as lesbians, as asked by Paris Lees from 10 years ago.

I personally like Bindel. I appreciate the producers using KJW to argue against some TRAs' stand points; KJW really slagged Emily Bridges off the other day - it moves the debates along. Wouldn't say great. Especially since reading a few points raised about KJW on this thread.

Datun · 02/06/2023 04:24

TinselAngel · 01/06/2023 18:18

Bindel has also fallen for Katy Jon

I so don't get that. Complimentary about a male who violates women's boundaries but scathing about Posie Parker.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 02/06/2023 10:44

Datun · 02/06/2023 04:24

I so don't get that. Complimentary about a male who violates women's boundaries but scathing about Posie Parker.

Does Katy Jon have impeccable leftist credentials? that seems to be important to some people for some reason

Datun · 02/06/2023 10:51

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 02/06/2023 10:44

Does Katy Jon have impeccable leftist credentials? that seems to be important to some people for some reason

Ah. Probably.

TinselAngel · 03/06/2023 11:43

Article by Jo Bartosch with quote from a certain Trans Widow spokesperson...

twitter.com/jo_bartosch/status/1664905810290397184?s=46&t=PSGltfjrMyZmBtYq2-AVIQ

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