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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union

330 replies

JellyJazzy · 29/05/2023 23:45

If anyone is a member of the Oxford Union it says her talk is at 5pm tomorrow.

Is anyone from FWR going?

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TheBiologyStupid · 01/06/2023 16:11

Just came to post a link to Kathleen's Unherd article, but I see it's already here. She's more tolerant of those opposed to her, not least the idiot with the superglue, than I would be.

SirChenjins · 01/06/2023 16:12

I do wonder how Riz manages to keep her media momentum going, given her propensity for exhaustion and distress. Hopefully Fi and Jane won’t ask her too many difficult questions to add to her general feelz of being so harassed, but I’m sure she’s got her tube of Loctite at the ready in case it all gets too much for her and she has to sit down and take the weight off. It must be so tiring being a they.

BordoisAgain · 01/06/2023 17:25
Embarrassed Shame GIF

Another day, another supposed TRA coming out with transphobia... Shame in you Merlin

IwantToRetire · 01/06/2023 18:38

Peter Tatchell pulls out of union debate as he is upset that there was no trans person present at Kathleen Stock's debate there.

Peter Tatchell pulls out of union debate as he is upset that it isn't getting as much media attention as Kathleen Stock's debate there.

RealityFan · 01/06/2023 18:39

To think I ever genuinely admired and respected this guy. Seems like a lifetime ago.

Waitwhat23 · 01/06/2023 19:06

I think this was my favourite from Twitter.

I was very amused at the comments pointing out that, bizarrely, the cat looks less photoshopped than the actual image of they's head.

Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union
ApocalipstickNow · 01/06/2023 19:25

It’s like they’ve merged these two characters for a modern reimagining

Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union
Theladyinluna · 01/06/2023 19:58

They are not equipped to have sex as defined by biology with other women. Their ‘hardware’ is incompatible

But this is so stupid. This would only make sense as a comparison if lesbians were arguing, ‘ because we have sex, lesbians can reproduce via lesbian sex, and if you say we can’t you are lesbophobic, bigot!’

But lesbians aren’t saying that, so the analogy fails.

QueenHippolyta · 01/06/2023 20:20

Did you see the twitter remark by
totes angelic to Sc*** riz Possnett : "Am I wrong in seeing Kathleen Stock as, for all intent and purposes, as a trans man?"

Don't these people understand lesbianism 101?
We find women sexually attractive; we like their ladybits and personality whether wrapped in a dress, sporty joggers, or a dashing suit.
If Kathleen Stock ( whom I find attractive) went on testosterone tomorrow and grew a beard etc, I would be physically repelled. And also emotionally repelled by their self-hatred.
Butch and androgynous sporty lesbians aren't men, not even close...in fact the ones I have known have been very sweet!

Iafontaine · 01/06/2023 20:47

yes @QueenHippolyta I am a tall lesbian and I like a trouser suit, this does not make me a trans-man!

SirChenjins · 01/06/2023 20:49

"Am I wrong in seeing Kathleen Stock as, for all intent and purposes, as a trans man?"

Yes.

Waitwhat23 · 01/06/2023 20:58

Have just seen this one 😄

Seeing Kathleen Stock at the Oxford Union
BluebellBlueballs · 01/06/2023 21:16

ApocalipstickNow · 01/06/2023 19:25

It’s like they’ve merged these two characters for a modern reimagining

I knew she reminded me of someone. Natalie, iirc. The anorexic one was Nicola.

FrancescaContini · 01/06/2023 22:24

Tallisker · 01/06/2023 14:03

To Tatchell

Rubidium · 01/06/2023 22:39

Peter Tatchell pulls out of union debate as he is upset that there was no trans person present at Kathleen Stock's debate there.

Back in March, Munroe Bergdorf spoke at the Oxford Union. What’s Tatchell’s problem?

Iafontaine · 01/06/2023 23:17

Might warrant its own thread but more Oxford: this has appeared in The Telegraph. Regent's Park College Oxford appear to have introduced some interesting rules which might have some curious consequences depending on how they interpret “denying or disputing the validity and/or existence of a trans person's identity” especially as it can result in expulsion. I wonder if gender critical views would be enough?

"Regent’s Park College is thought to be the first college to recognise gender identity as a protected characteristic by implementing a specific policy about it.
The college said it believes “gender reassignment” is not an “exclusively medical” term and also has “personal” dimensions.
Its statement said: “Individuals perceived as having the protected characteristic of gender reassignment (even incorrectly) are still afforded its protections.”
It's reproduced here as I can't share The Telegraph:
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/oxford-college-threatens-to-expel-students-who-misgender-trans-peers/ar-AA1c0aXe

MSN

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/oxford-college-threatens-to-expel-students-who-misgender-trans-peers/ar-AA1c0aXe

IwantToRetire · 01/06/2023 23:34

@Iafontaine - I think it should be a new thread as it brings up so many other questions. ie what right does a college have to tell students what they can or cant believe in.

these are places of education not, for instance, a seminary educaating students into the "correct" thought of whatever religion.

I hope they get their funding cut.

Irony of ironies, this is what they say about themselves:

We have a long and proud history rooted in that of the Dissenters, who were for much of the college’s history excluded from the upper echelons of the British education system. No matter who you are or where you’re from, there is a home for you at Regent’s.

We were founded in the nineteenth century to provide an education for non-Anglicans excluded from the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. When we moved to Oxford in 1927 we continued this mission of supporting disenfranchised communities – we were the first college to admit both men and women, and one of the first to publicly show our support for the LGBTQ+ community in the twenty-first by flying the Rainbow Flag. Despite, and perhaps because of, the barriers placed in our way, we’ve always been at the forefront of social change.

Along the way we’ve educated first-class cricketers, members of the House of Lords, laywers, civil servants, teachers, academics, poets, missionaries and abolitionists.

https://www.rpc.ox.ac.uk/study-here/why-choose-regents/

RealityFan · 01/06/2023 23:45

IwantToRetire · 01/06/2023 23:34

@Iafontaine - I think it should be a new thread as it brings up so many other questions. ie what right does a college have to tell students what they can or cant believe in.

these are places of education not, for instance, a seminary educaating students into the "correct" thought of whatever religion.

I hope they get their funding cut.

Irony of ironies, this is what they say about themselves:

We have a long and proud history rooted in that of the Dissenters, who were for much of the college’s history excluded from the upper echelons of the British education system. No matter who you are or where you’re from, there is a home for you at Regent’s.

We were founded in the nineteenth century to provide an education for non-Anglicans excluded from the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. When we moved to Oxford in 1927 we continued this mission of supporting disenfranchised communities – we were the first college to admit both men and women, and one of the first to publicly show our support for the LGBTQ+ community in the twenty-first by flying the Rainbow Flag. Despite, and perhaps because of, the barriers placed in our way, we’ve always been at the forefront of social change.

Along the way we’ve educated first-class cricketers, members of the House of Lords, laywers, civil servants, teachers, academics, poets, missionaries and abolitionists.

https://www.rpc.ox.ac.uk/study-here/why-choose-regents/

Whatever happened to the British famous sense of irony?

Another casualty of woke and ID politics, alongside nuance and calm.

The grievance and self obsessedness in this statement is off the scale.

They really do think they're fighting another version of suffragettes/black civil rights/gay marriage.

They're really misguided children. And misguiding children.

Iafontaine · 01/06/2023 23:46

If only they could see the irony!

RealityFan · 01/06/2023 23:58

Iafontaine · 01/06/2023 23:46

If only they could see the irony!

Ties in with Kath Stock telling TRAs who claimed they're "so tired" existentially battling her, to get more iron in their system.

Beautiful put down.

SirVixofVixHall · 02/06/2023 00:20

NicCageisnotNickCave · 01/06/2023 15:20

Thank you! That was a most enjoyable read!

My son certainly fits the description of the sort of student who is unreported in these media stories - longing for robust (but well mannered!) debate without fear of ostracisation by his Riz-like peers.

Mine too. I wish she had gone to the debate.
Dr Stock is such a generous spirited person isn’t she ? Good hearted and trustworthy. She must be a wonderful friend and and mother.