"I don't give a shit about the scientific explanations. If they identify as a women, they get to compete in sports"

[EdgeOfACoin]

Emma Vigeland, presenter on The Majority Report, a "progressive" internet talk radio programme and podcast, has made it crystal clear that gender identity trumps fairness when it comes to sport.

Unfortunately I'm not tech savvy enough to clip the relevant section from the show directly, but plenty of other have, including Triggernometry presenter Konstantin Kisin, who Tweeted about it. You can see the video on his Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1662390264005120001?t=3-gYh1LvSAt93Fh1N68boA&s=19

Emma has not backed down from her comments and has since mocked "terfs" for being "triggered" by her, declaring that "gender affirming care" for minors would solve all of the problems anyway:

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1662491715352010752

Emma has unequivocally declared that she is right on this issue.

Fascinating to see any pretence that the subject is "complicated" has gone - no, if a person with a penis wants to compete in women's sports, then that takes priority over everything else, including fairness.

As a side note, she used to be a presenter on The Young Turks and made a (very) half-hearted attempt to defend her former colleague Ana Kasparian last month after Ana lost patience with being referred to as a "birthing person". (Interestingly, Ana hasn't retreated from her own comments either.)

Well at least she's honest, if oblivious to her internalised misogyny. I do prefer it when people can lay their cards on the table - hopefully this will help people ignore their opinions in any sensible debate.

What do these people think is the point of sex segregation in sport?

I think the video also makes clear that when people say there is no conflict between trans rights and women's rights, they are lying.

Emma knows there is a conflict. She just doesn't care

At least Verruca Salt was obnoxiously demanding things she wanted for herself, rather than things a random group of other people want just because it's currently trendy to be seen to support them.

Being a spoiled brat was working pretty well for Verucca Salt until she met Willy Wonka, so there was a point to it.

I'd rather be a spoiled brat on my own account, rather than for the benefit of a group of spoiled brats which doesn't even include me.

Embarrassing.

I think that Emma, along with a number of other gender ideologues, has realised that they haven't just lost the science argument, they've been comprehensively trounced.

Realising that it's a waste of their time and energy to pretend that science "proves" that TWAW and have zero advantage, they've gone for the gang kicking, "Shut up and fuck off, we WILL have our way, you Nazis!" option.

Hopefully, this will get a lot of publicity, so that all relatively sane and normal people will be able to see that they're howling loonies.

I have a feeling people like her would just shrug her shoulders and say 'ah well, the women just aren't good enough to compete then', which would be a bit like me competing against the under 10's in an egg and spoon race, and when I win by a country mile just saying 'I guess those pesky kids just need to train harder'.

As other people have said it’s actually refreshing to see the cards on the table for once. Fairness doesn’t matter, women’s sports don’t really matter in fact . Males get what they want. One of the reasons I think the trans shit has taken hold so quickly is because many women are incapable of standing up for their own interests. When Rachel dilezal tentatively tried to make trans race a thing, the reaction from the black community was a resounding “no”. I just find it fascinating that a woman is willing to throw away the entirety of women’s sports for males.

This, 100%!

Yes, exactly! There is no way this shit would have gotten so far so quickly if it disadvantaged men the way it does women and girls - it would have been quashed immediately.

Even one of the guys from the Yogyakarta principles (on which a lot of the Self ID legislation is based) admitted recently that they never even considered the impact this would have on women when it was being considered.

Well why the fuck not? We're only half the population FFS. Only we're the half that have always been an afterthought. And because it is mostly men in prominent positions and they don't even consider us.

Plus we have ridiculous handmaidens like Emma Vigeland doing a their job for them.

Why are women so bad at supporting each other? It's like many younger women are embarrassed to stand up for female things, in case they are labelled a smelly, uncool feminist.

This was where my thinking was also going. She can decide inclusion is her number one aim but she can't force women to compete against males, unless she actually forces women to compete against males. Not very progressive...

The male person who competed in the Cambridge University reserve rowing crew in 2015 apparently now identifies as nonbinary. It was painful for me to read about them because i was in that squad years ago at the very borderline - one male body would have excluded me, which would have meant a very different life path.

Emma's statement doesn't mention what she thinks should happen for those identifying as nonbinary. I wonder if on reflection she would say that having an open category would be positive for everyone - whatever she thinks about the female category. In which case there is at least a small area of common ground here to build on.

I think the issue of non-binary throws the spotlight on the inanity of the demands. I think the creation of the NB categories and what is happening there has shown the issue clearly. It is almost like they didn’t think that through. Or they honestly feel that a male athlete with the ranking of 50 something SHOULD be celebrated as equal to the male and female winners and that the rest of the world will go along with it. Why are all the other groups petitioning for their equal payments?

And why didn’t they create NB category as a trans category so all trans people can enter? If there is enough entrants for the NB category, it should have included all trans people.

Im absolutely not a fan of third categories for trans people as to me that's genuinely exclusionary and also disadvantages female transmen, meaning women get shat on again. Trans people aren't a different species - I'm coming at this from the angle that thinks gender is supremely trivial, on a par with your favourite biscuit, while sport is life or death 😄. There are people who think the opposite and I'm not going to change their views. How do we get everyone to manage to live together? An open category is one step in that direction.

Women need to play these people at their own game and demand AFAB and AMAB non binary categories.

Then all the female athletes compete as AFAB non binary.

Wonder what future generations will make of this sh*t show.

Im absolutely not a fan of third categories for trans people

im a fan in as much as it being a gender neutral category open to all, same with third toilets

alternatively I would be happy with female and open categories in sports…and toilets to be fair 🤔

Agree. And at least it's an intellectually coherent position ("I'm aware women may be disadvantaged, but I think inclusion is more important"), rather than straight-up denying the advantages that men have. Some of the replies are even more disturbing, IMO, because they deny reality and claim that it's misogyny to say that women are not as strong as men.

And those will be the people with health insurance. Many Americans don't get the medication they need.

Didn'y the first person in the US who got Non Binary on his passport admit a few years later it was all bullshit? I watched an interview with him and he was sort of laughing at the ridiculousness of it all (he also admitted that he was actually an autogynephile).

But the authorities were busy celebrating their 'inclusiveness' of it all.

*Didn't

Agree. Top/ bottom surgery sound so casual, nothing to see here.
Like a little tweak needed for the person to finally feel comfortable in their body, similar to a nose job perhaps, or lip injections, not the major surgery it actually is.
So much easier to get more people to support this idea if you give the procedure an inoffensive name and claim it’s a crucial part of „healthcare“.

I still don't understand the satisfaction these bio males get from coming first and smashing records in a woman's category? There's no competition, they know they're going to win, where's the sense of achievement? There isn't any!

Money, fame, sponsorship.
I can see why they do it (at the expense of any pride), what I can’t understand is how it’s been allowed to happen!

I also don’t understand biological women supporting the whole thing.

I’m wondering how long it’ll be before people start identifying as disabled.