"I don't give a shit about the scientific explanations. If they identify as a women, they get to compete in sports"

[EdgeOfACoin]

Emma Vigeland, presenter on The Majority Report, a "progressive" internet talk radio programme and podcast, has made it crystal clear that gender identity trumps fairness when it comes to sport.

Unfortunately I'm not tech savvy enough to clip the relevant section from the show directly, but plenty of other have, including Triggernometry presenter Konstantin Kisin, who Tweeted about it. You can see the video on his Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/KonstantinKisin/status/1662390264005120001?t=3-gYh1LvSAt93Fh1N68boA&s=19

Emma has not backed down from her comments and has since mocked "terfs" for being "triggered" by her, declaring that "gender affirming care" for minors would solve all of the problems anyway:

https://twitter.com/EmmaVigeland/status/1662491715352010752

Emma has unequivocally declared that she is right on this issue.

Fascinating to see any pretence that the subject is "complicated" has gone - no, if a person with a penis wants to compete in women's sports, then that takes priority over everything else, including fairness.

As a side note, she used to be a presenter on The Young Turks and made a (very) half-hearted attempt to defend her former colleague Ana Kasparian last month after Ana lost patience with being referred to as a "birthing person". (Interestingly, Ana hasn't retreated from her own comments either.)

Oh no, wait! She does care about sports! She has her own sports show!

Seriously.

https://twitter.com/esvnshow?lang=en

😂

I'd completely forgotten!

She can have whatever option she wants, but her views aren't the law. Justice will prevail here. were is no doubt a transgender woman will have advantages over a woman, so they can't compere against each other. A man will have advantages over a transgender man so they can't compere together either.

If inclusion is more important than fairness then I think Emma should give up her job and allow a random trans woman to take her job

it is not amplifying her voice. It is watching the latest twists in the arguments presented. This is just the latest twist that is reaching its crescendo. This is the extreme inclusion point of view.

Thank you for the video clip. It made me laugh actually - she’s channeling her inner Verruca Salt. Classic case of someone who has no valid points to make who just raises her voice, swears and starts sounding aggressive.

She’s very immature and is embarrassing to watch. Own goal, I’d say 👌

We had someone ask something similar on the cycling thread yesterday and concluded that this would result in many people identifying as the gold medal winner and all rushing to the podium at the same time, unfortunately only the fastest would get there first. 😂

I don't care!

If you don't care Emma, why are you so angry?

I'm guessing she didn't get picked for the sports team in school and is still pissed off about it

So she thinks women’s sports might as well not exist if they’re not inclusive? We women exist only to serve the patriarchy as support humans it seems. Mouthy twit.

I see a post has been removed for noting that ‘gender affirming care’ for children ultimately means the surgical removal of primary and secondary sexual characteristics

really, why do people want to shy away from the truth?

If as a society we’re going to endorse sterilising children, we should definitely talk about it

Emma Vigeland from a family of lawyers and prominent democrat supporters.

she is the epitome of privilege

I think it's fine. That's her priority, inclusion of trans people in their preferred gender over sex-based fairness. She doesn't think women as a sex matter at all, gender is more important.

I think it's profoundly wrong. But it's actually preferable to 'ooh it's complicated, let's do more research' which is just silly, and also fails to acknowledge that the change in the rules was made on the basis of a single study of 8 people, ie a figleaf, so that the pro-women group could become the group trying to make a difficult political change against the odds.

I do also acknowledge the political and cultural environment in the US. Not only that the right-wing powers who have picked up this as a cultural issue are theocratic and only care about women as breeding stock. Also that commercial medicalisation is so normal in the US - 65% of the population are on at least one prescription drug. Over here its 25%. They simply have been commercially trained to regard popping pills as normal.

Is anybody advocating that transgender people should be excluded from sport? Surely they can compete, as the sex they are?

commercial medicalisation is so normal in the US - 65% of the population are on at least one prescription drug. Over here its 25%

shitting crikey

Gender affirming care my definition of real care that affirms gender would be that your sex does not determine what colour or style or kind of clothing you wear, how you treat your hair or your nails or makeup generally. Anyone want to paint themselves however, wear a sarong or whatever, be my guest.

I really won't blink an eye. I might admire your style or not even notice.

Identify as a tree, or a dog or a dinosaur: do whatever you like, life is to have fun.

None of which has anything to do with your sex. If we could just be absolutely clear about that, I truly believe everything would fall into place.

"I don't give a shit about the scientific explanations. If they identify as a woman, they get to compete in sports" - yes Emma, yes they do. Of course they get to compete in sports! Nobody would dream of taking that opportunity away from them.

What they don’t get to do, is complete in WOMEN’S sports because that would be really bloody unfair.

When people throw attempts at rational, reasonable argument out of the window and say “I don’t give a s**t” they are showing their true colours. They are saying: “I don’t care. What trans people want is more important than what women want.” Could this be because they know that if we allow science to be the judge of whether males should compete with females - then they’re not going to get the answer they want? So pre-empt the answer by saying “I don’t care!”

A very mature and level-headed way to deal with this serious issue.

Absolutely. These quaint Victorian-era euphemisms (“top surgery”) need to be replaced with real medical terminology.

We use proper terminology for every other medical procedure a person could possibly need - bowel re-section / abortion / foot amputation etc - so why the coyness around “double mastectomy” etc, I wonder? Could it be that some people want to make it sound as easy as getting your toenails clipped? If so, WHY do they want to make it sound so easy? 🤔🤫🤫

Answers on a postcard, please.

I have a suggestion.

Since the sex/gender issue is apparently so controversial, let's abolish the men's and women's categories in sport and compete according to star sign instead. This seems like a sensible compromise because star sign is a non physical characteristic not related to biological sex, which should please the gender ideologues, but it is objectively verifiable and prevents people from trying to game the system by self identifying into a different category, which should please the rest of us. It also means twelve opportunities to win at each sport, rather than two.

For the next five years, including the Paris Olympics, all sporting competitions are organised according to star sign. Then we evaluate how it's gone.

And if competitors of the male biological sex have won in almost every category, society might accept that there was a good reason why we traditionally competed according to biological sex in the first place.

That sounds like an excellent suggestion, inclusive and fair.

When people throw attempts at rational, reasonable argument out of the window and say “I don’t give a s**t” they are showing their true colours. They are saying: “I don’t care. What trans people want is more important than what women want.” Could this be because they know that if we allow science to be the judge of whether males should compete with females - then they’re not going to get the answer they want? So pre-empt the answer by saying “I don’t care!”

Yes. Not only does this silly woman know that but she also knows they aren't actually women. And that is the cause of her anger, that she's being put in this position where she's going to be shown up to her peers as either stupid or bigoted. That's why some "allies" get so disproportionately angry about debating these issues.

Funnily enough I don't give a shit about including "Trans women people" in "society" women's spaces

Especially at women's expense.

I am 100% right about this

Reading with intrigue

Trying to force people to accept something that is obviously wrong and unfair will eventually cause the exact opposite of inclusion. It will send reasonable and accepting people down a far more extreme path simply to counteract the insanity. I have no issue with how people want to identify. I do, however, have an issue with being told that I must also identify them as that and not just accept, but truly believe that 2+2=5.

I have no idea who the person is but it’s right to move away from centering males

But Margot would that be my sun sign, my star sign or my rising sign?

(Incidentally when I googled that I found a site that asked for gender- male, female, prefer not to say or LGBT 😂)