Antipodean fruit growers 3 - Is the Kiwi a Dodo or a Phoenix?

[Bosky]

Continuation thread from Antipodean fruit growers 2 - Canary in the internet coal mine
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4632616-antipodean-fruit-growers-2-canary-in-the-internet-coal-mine

Front row seat on the seemingly eternal battle between Jersh (aka Suzi Quatro's Fat Nan) and his Merry Band of Farmers against the Transpowered Forces of Internet Censorship.

1st Thread - Antipodean fruit grower statement
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4620584-antipodean-fruit-grower-statement

Correction to my previous post. JR-M was not a news presenter. As a politician this is not allowed. He had a current affairs programme, but apparently read out a piece of breaking news that occurred whilst he was on camera.

Since when did the right not to be offended trump the right to free speech.

Actually since when did it become a Government and media role to tell us what we ought to think.

I used to be happy scrolling both the Mail and the Guardian on my phone, raising my eyebrows at some of the "they would say that wouldn't they". Then suddenly around the time Corbyn became Labour Party leader the Guardian started "educating" rather than informing and too many loyal Guardian readers became closed minded and righteous. I did not know about the gender issue then, but perhaps it was an effect. When media stopped informing, it became possible to push nonsense like this down people's throats.

Now the Government and OfCom want to stop my access to KF, one of the very few bits of the internet willing to provide an alternative view on gender - with the documents to back it up. I am happy to support anyone who stops this. Online safety is about protecting us from BBC lies and bias as much as anything else.

It's Ofcom's recent claim to universal jurisdiction that boggles my mind.

This is what happens when a national broadcasting regulator has its remit expanded to cover the internet. You end up with this absurd situation of Melanie Dawes being empowered to crack down on foreign websites that may be read by Brits, and nobody seems to have asked how come Melanie gets to be Supreme Regulator of the Global Internet.

Imagine if the Russians tried this sort of thing.

Things are once more happening on this board's less reputable and more permissive sibling site. And given the role KiwiFarms plays in the Trans culture wars, I'm sure will interest some here.

Many will recall the drama of Liz Fong-Jones, often nicknamed "Liz Dong-Gone" on the site, he of the Lego-man shaped head and noted trans activist and litigator. Well, he has once more like the Kraken of legend, emerged from the depths to try and shut down the Farms. Widely considered to be motivated by their documentation of his self-admitted "consent accident" and his association with a charity named "trans lifeline" which was found guilty of fraud. Dong Gone is a millionaire, former Google employee (fired after using his official position to petition people with to shut down the Farms) and he's now using a new approach. He is filing copyright infringement claims. This is a rather nefarious tactic because the claim itself does not need to be valid, the law requires the material to be taken down and the person responsible for it to go public to defend it. Thus stripping them of protective anonymity. I don't think in the current age and in the context of the trans activism, how important anonymity is.

Null goes into the specifics in more detail, though the highlight has to be that the images the Consent Accidentist is suing over are a headshot of him and a picture of his Bluesky post, plus another picture of him with the text "Consent Accidents Do Happen!". I recommend reading the actual thread for the detail - easy to find as Null has banner linked it at the top of the site at the time of writing.

But here's the thing. This is a genuine risk to the site. Null's solution is to counter-sue as the only option to actually deal with this. He launched a fundraiser yesterday and it's already hit $75k but that's not enough. Fong-Jones is personally a millionaire and has a hatred for the site like no other for the verified things it documents about him. And if the Farms goes, not only would that be a huge blow to critics of the trans movement as it is THE premier archive of things TRAs would prefer to be forgotten (like said 'consent accidents' and fraudulent trans charities), but the same tactic can be used on other sites as a chilling effect.

I figured people here would like to know, given the sometimes overlap and common cause between the Feminism board in particular and the Kiwi cousins.

Thanks for shining the bat signal @Fruityful

Fong-Jones, like most of his narcissistic ilk has perverse reserves of persistence. Null is pretty damn stubborn too though and I’m heartened to see his fighting fund starting well.

The TRAs really do give themselves away as paranoid and mentally ill, don’t they.

Let's hope Fong's nefarious plans get some deserved publicity!

"They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss."

Or if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black?

"They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss."

Or if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black?

They’re stance seems to be if you are acting like an idiot/your ideology is idiotic, we’ll take the piss and it makes no difference if you're LGBT, Muslim, Indian or black.

It's clearly a homophobic and racist hate site with a focus on black people, Indians and Muslims.

Why do you hang out so much on it then?

It seems Reddit has handed out new attack lines 🙄

Proof please? Because on the occasions I look, those profiled seem overwhelmimgly white, male and straight.

Marg Christinapple seems to have aligned theysself with far right transphobic racist bigots. How embarrassing for theysself. I assume a cancelling comes next?

I'm still trying to work how Christina allegedly knows all this stuff considering they've said they've never been on this nasty site. Who's feeding you the information Christina?

The only time I hear about the site is on mumsnet. I like the idea of a site that will take the piss out of anybody being an idiot regardless of which special group they belong to but have never made the effort to find it. So is there a way non users of the site can contribute to their fight or would I actually need to go look for it?

I had always thought that Chris' name was 'Christ in apple', a sort of alternative to 'Christ in toast' (see pic attached). Then I found out that the imagery of Jesus as an apple tree is a real thing (see other pic). I think there is even a hymn with the theme.

I thought that calling the poster 'Christ' was going a bit far, so I used 'Chris'.

Anyone can read the site without signing up to see for themselves if they agree with Chris or not. I don't know if you can donate without signing up, but there will be instructions on how to donate there (if anyone wishes to do so).

The kiwifarms site is simply that name and then .st

So, I just had a look at the Fong-Jones thread, and the farmers are supportive of Afroman, who has an upcoming case that is similar to the one that Fong-Jones has launched against the farms. I know nothing of this, but someone had helpfully explained it and linked the song and a video about the situation. Afroman's case will apparently begin in a few days, the whole mess has been going on for 3 years.

The song in question.

Kallikrates so those frightful racists on Kiwi Farms are supporting a black man and his family who have been wronged twice by (allegedly) corrupt and demonstrably clownish and clumsy white cops?

This must be making Chris's numpty noggin spin!

Plus, his lemon pound cake was stolen! I'm sure that MN can also get behind this case. We love cake here. Cake should not be stolen.

I am amused and shocked that these sheriffs are actually suing Afroman for making them look stupid when it very much looks like they accomplished that feat all by themselves 🙄

There is a givefundgo site for non users to donate, unfortunately in US dollars.

That's only the denomination used to show the earnings by Give Send Go. You can contribute from anywhere, it just gets converted in their total. If you visit the site, Null has put up a big banner linking to the thread about the lawsuit. I'd drop the link to the fundraiser here for those interested but I understand that's against policy. Still, a simple search for "defendthefarms" and Give Send Go should turn it up.

Note, that's different to the site fund raising. The GSG is specifically ring-faced for legal defence. And yes, it's very similar in principle to the Afroman case. The Kiwi Farms action might have some very interesting positive effect generally in helping shut down spurious misuse of copyright law in the future. Laws designed to prevent people ripping off music and movie pirating, are being used to shut down criticism by people trying to copyright their face! Madness, but it costs money to defend yourself which is what people like Liz Fong-Jones are relying on.

The fundraiser has reached $100,000 in three days. I'm sure more will help but it's an amazing achievement.

@Bosky You're absolutely right that Farms users would align with Afroman on this. Because he's in the right and it's funny. That doesn't mean there aren't actual racists on the Farms, there totally are. But what the Farms is, is a place where you can say what you like and occasionally if the noise gets loud enough, Null will appear and slap a few heads together until he can get back to whatever else he was doing but mostly if you can stand your ground, that's all that matters. Every possible viewpoint can be found on the Farms. Though pro-Trans would probably get you mocked beyond belief.

They won't tolerate child or animal abuse either.

They have helped to identify some awful animal abusers, including people who have tortured monkeys and dogs. This has led to convictions.